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Officer who shot Philando Castile found not guilty[W:456]

There was no reason to think he was a threat other than his weapon. Which was perfectly legal. According to some 2A activists, open carry should be allowed.
That is spin.
"There was no reason to think he was a threat" until he refused to follow commands and reached for his gun and grabbed it anyways. Those things made him a threat.





your reply is illogical.

This was not a dubious shooting or contradictory logic. This is a straight forward case. He was told not to reach for it and then told to get his hand off it. Failure to follow those commands made him a threat.


Bringing race into this just speaks of dubious logic.





Conservative Treehouse has it's minions over here. The OP always takes whatever position on any of these cases that the Conservative Treehouse takes.

1. This isn't about me so stop with the baiting.
2. You also clearly have it in for the CTH. :doh iLOL
2. We have similar positions, I do not take theirs. Learn the difference.





The dash cam shows a murder. The dash cam shows potential voluntary manslaughter of the woman and her 4/o daughter.

The murderer will never know peace.
iLOL
No it doesn't. It shows a justified shooting.
 
1. Stop baiting.
This topic, nor that one, is about me, but about the arguments made.

2. Everything I argued in the Slager topics is true and you certainly have not been able to refute it. His trial for that charge ended with a hung jury. The fact that the corrupt Obama/Lynch justice system came along and wrongly charged him with different crimes does not negate any of those arguments.
Slager pleading guilty to the "federal charge of deprivation of rights under the color of law" was so all other charges, federal and state, would be dismissed. That doesn't negate what I argued either.
Now if you would like to start a thread to argue those federal charges and whether he should have plead or not, please do so as I can clearly make better legal arguments based on the actual evidence than you can.


Yanez may have been given the benefit of the doubt by the jury but he's lost his job. There's a sign there that he wasn't fit for further duty in uniform with the legal power of lethal force behind him.
It's a voluntarily separation.

If he wanted his job back he could force it by legal action, but since it is a voluntary separation, I doubt he will.

If you read what the City said it doesn't sound like he was fired for cause.


The City of St. Anthony announced that it fired officer Jeronimo Yanez from the department on the day he was cleared of all counts in the killing of Philando Castile.

“The City of St. Anthony has concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city,” the statement said. “The city intends to offer Officer Yanez a voluntary separation agreement to help him transition to another career other than being a St. Anthony officer.”

City of St. Anthony fires Yanez





Failed to listen? Wut? You haven't established that.
No, Castile failed to listen and demonstrated that by failing to follow the commands given.

And the Officer does not have to listen to what a passenger says, especially as he was dealing with the driver, not her.


But had Officer Yanez took the time to listen to what Mr. Castile and Ms. Reynolds were saying to him, no shots would've been fired.
What Castile was doing is contrary to what he was saying so it would have likely ended the same way even if you could establish that the Officer had the Officer not been listening to him.


He can be heard off camera stating "he was nervous". This nervousness became apparent once Mr. Castile informed him he had a firearm.
He said he was getting nervous after he said Castile was getting hinky and just staring straight ahead.


Some people will say, "Well, Mr. Castile should have followed Officer Yanez' instructions and complied. By all accounts, he did!
iLOL No.
No by the Officer's account he did not and that is what matters.


and by his own admission immediately after being shot he clearly states he wasn't reaching for his firearm.
By his own admission? iLOL Doh!
So civilians do not lie to Officers huh?


Furthermore AND as witnessed by Ms. Reynolds, Mr. Castile was reaching for his wallet.
And yet had his hand on the gun in his front pocket while his wallet was all the way to his rear.
 
Which is totally irrelevant to the facts that followed.

WTF ... irrelevant?

If he was Black Running away I'm sure getting shot is the back 50 times would have been relevant.

But NOW you're saying; being courteous, respectful and polite to a Police Officer is irrelevant?

WTF will they think of next for an excuse? :lamo
 
BTW ... Defenders ... why did The Police Department release him if everything his did was correct?

Excuse please .....
 
:lamo

How in the world do you think his prior courtesy is relevant to his not following the commands of the Officer in regards to a lethal weapon? Please, do tell.
 
BTW ... Defenders ... why did The Police Department release him if everything his did was correct?

Excuse please .....
Excuses?
iLOL
Doh!

The City of St. Anthony announced that it fired officer Jeronimo Yanez from the department on the day he was cleared of all counts in the killing of Philando Castile.

“The City of St. Anthony has concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city,” the statement said. “The city intends to offer Officer Yanez a voluntary separation agreement to help him transition to another career other than being a St. Anthony officer.”

City of St. Anthony fires Yanez


A voluntary separation coupled with the words "concluded that the public will be best served" would not mean he was separated for cause, but more like for reasons of safety, his.
 

Two jurors were black? Oh wow. That changes ... nothing. Black people make mistakes, too.

Not familiar with the Milwaukee case, but at first glance it seems a far, far more justified shooting than this.

As for your BLM rant, it's disgusting. I guess we should just dismiss American citizens crying out against systematic abuse as "sore losers." Read this, then re-evaluate why you're harboring such hate in your heart.
 
Racism doesn't exist, staph. It was his fault he was pulled over 49 times in 13 years. It was his fault he was shot obviously too /s

I don't know why he was stopped the other 48 times, but I recently replaced a broken brake light on my 2004 Camry. I bought a pair of Sylvania Long Life 3057 bulbs from Walmart for less than three bucks. Took me all of three minutes to replace it.
 


you know, I have seen you post more BS spin within this forum than most members combined.
You even cut short the quote & then try to turn it all into some fanciful fairytale about ****head Yanez's safety ...... OMFG ..........

here, this is the full quote: “The City of St. Anthony has concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city."

This IS NOT about the safety of FORMER officer Yanez; THIS IS ABOUT the safety of the civilian public.

You spew more Goddamn ****ing spin here @ DP than a ****ing Landromat ...............
 
Two jurors were black? Oh wow. That changes ... nothing. Black people make mistakes, too.

You forgot to mention the other ten. And the twelve (including four blacks) in Milwaukee in the Smith case who voted for acquittal. And do you remember this guy:



(I'm guessing not. Hint: He was the jurist who found Officer Caesar R. Goodson, Jr. and Lt. Brian W. Rice not guilty of all charges in the Freddie Gray case. Charges against the other three officers ended up being dropped. Apparently, the Baltimore City State's Attorney didn't bank on the cops placing their fates in the hands of a black judge with a reputation for integrity and fairness instead of Maryland juries who might have been swayed by all of the BLM propaganda being propagated by the media. Either that or they must have known he'd make some mistakes. Go figure. :shrug
 

Except that he didn't grab his gun and had about 30 seconds between getting pulled over and getting shot 7 times.
 
I don't know why he was stopped the other 48 times, but I recently replaced a broken brake light on my 2004 Camry. I bought a pair of Sylvania Long Life 3057 bulbs from Walmart for less than three bucks. Took me all of three minutes to replace it.

That's wonderful. If you were stopped by the cops, why didn't they kill you? According to your line of argument here, that would have been acceptable.
 

Doubling down on irrelevant race-baiting, eh? I'm really not sure what you're point is. Did you not read my link? There is a pattern of systematic abuse in some communities. There is also a larger issue of police shooting unarmed citizens regardless of race.

Seems like issues of color are making you lose sight of what we're talking about here.
 
Not familiar with the Milwaukee case, but at first glance it seems a far, far more justified shooting than this.

Joe, if you're not familiar with the the Sylville Smith case and the days of rioting in Milwaukee that followed his shooting, then, well, I don't know what to say. Here's a sample of what occurred:

 
Joe, if you're not familiar with the the Sylville Smith case and the days of rioting in Milwaukee that followed his shooting, then, well, I don't know what to say. Here's a sample of what occurred:


How does any of this make it acceptable for that officer to have shot Philando Castile?
 

Kinda ironic that is the same sentence you say pattern of systematic abuse in some communities and irrelevant race-baiting
 
Except that he didn't grab his gun and had about 30 seconds between getting pulled over and getting shot 7 times.

Cop who thinks he's got a desperado pulls over a guy who thinks he's getting pulled over for some infraction.

This disparity in perception of the unfolding event played into causing this mess.

Had this been a normal traffic stop, and the officer hadn't started out amped up this would probably never would have happened.

And it really sounds like he was reaching for his wallet when he told the cop he was carrying and got trapped by commands (and didn't know the cop was freaking out from the gate).

What do you do if you're reaching for your wallet to produce your permit and the cop starts yelling at you to stop reaching for it? If you freeze you're ****ed. If you bring your hand back up you're ****ed.

It would seem some liability should exist for situations going sideways when you're not following procedures.
 

So were the jurors given an instruction to a verdict as is usually the case?

Or were they left to decide on their own?
 
Kinda ironic that is the same sentence you say pattern of systematic abuse in some communities and irrelevant race-baiting

No, not really. He was talking about BLM, so I linked to a story about the Ferguson report, which outlined exactly a pattern of systematic abuse.

Still, none of that makes his race-baiting relevant to this thread.
 
As for your BLM rant, it's disgusting. I guess we should just dismiss American citizens crying out against systematic abuse as "sore losers."

So I mention BLM in one sentence and that's a "rant," eh? Okay, so what else do you call it when in case after case, when the result doesn't go the way the BLM folks want, they call anyone who supports those verdicts a bigot? I thought calling the BLM people "sore losers" was being nice by comparison. They brand anyone who doesn't a agree with them a bigot or a fascist, but they really need to look in the mirror. Their entire narrative is built around race and using any means necessary to stomp out genuine debate.

Read this, then re-evaluate why you're harboring such hate in your heart.

Joe, I can honestly say that there are few people on this planet I hate. I find the emotion destructive and it tends to cloud my thinking. What I am is a skeptic. What I do is think for myself and attempt to use logic to determine the truth of a matter so I can draw a fair conclusion. What I see are BLM protesters rioting and attempting to blot out any reasonable discourse on the subject of alleged police malfeasance or brutality. Take for example the protest against Heather MacDonald at Claremont McKenna College in April. They're not interested in hearing anything she has to say, which is fine. They don't have to. But I tend to get a little pissed off when they use force to ensure that no one else can, either. And, seriously, what does it say about where our society is headed when students at a prestigious, selective liberal arts college chant something like "From Oakland to Greece, **** the police!"? Why should I respect them? I don't hate them. I think they're misguided, but they can go **** themselves.


 
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What do you do if you're reaching for your wallet to produce your permit and the cop starts yelling at you to stop reaching for it? If you freeze you're ****ed. If you bring your hand back up you're ****ed.

Okay, I'm fifty-eight years old. Even forty years ago when I first learned how to drive I was taught that when you're stopped by the cops, stay in the vehicle, puts your hands on the steering wheel, and keep them there until he tells you you can do whatever it is he wants you to do. When he tells you to produce your license and registration, move slowly, and tell him something like, "Okay, Officer Blue Balls, I'm getting my ID from my pocket and my registration is in the glove box." Do they not teach this anymore? If people would just do that, most of these shootings would stop. I guarantee it.
 

BLM has a point. Not every protest is a mob or a riot. They didn't use force; it was a protest. That woman is playing the victim in her Fox interview, but she wasn't threatened or harmed. And I'll link to this again.

An open and honest dialogue starts with that report. What is being done to rein in our police state? I mean, even when an officer guns down an innocent man like Philando Castile, there is no justice.
 
BLM has a point. Not every protest is a mob or a riot. They didn't use force; it was a protest.

I guess your idea of a protest and force and mine are two different things. Physically blocking people from entering a venue is force. Banging on the windows and yelling in an attempt to drown her out is force.
 
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