That is spin.There was no reason to think he was a threat other than his weapon. Which was perfectly legal. According to some 2A activists, open carry should be allowed.
your reply is illogical.I do wonder if some people think the second amendment doesn't apply to African Americans.
I have this notion, because it seems like people on Fox News think "everyone" should have a gun if they want one, but in dubious police shootings like this, they say "he had a gun" as justification for the shooting.
That is contradictory logic that only be squared if one is a racist. Did the NRA say anything meaningful about Mr. Castile's second amendment rights? If you believe the second amendment is a fundamental right, then you must argue it applies equally to everyone, otherwise you just want it to privilege for you and your allies and you undermine any argument you can make about it being a fundamental right.
Also can African Americans open carry in some of these some rural towns and not to be harassed by the local police?
I also think its contradiction to say you believe in freedom and individuality and then demand mindless submission to police authority in all situations.
Conservative Treehouse has it's minions over here. The OP always takes whatever position on any of these cases that the Conservative Treehouse takes.
iLOLThe dash cam shows a murder. The dash cam shows potential voluntary manslaughter of the woman and her 4/o daughter.
The murderer will never know peace.
1. Stop baiting.Thankfully yes - Michael Slager was convicted after he pleaded guilty of shooting Walter Scott. That's one case our rabid police shooting supporter Excon still doesn't want to accept. The other one I can recall without too much googling is Sean Groubert who shot Levar Jones after asking him for his licence.
It's a voluntarily separation.Yanez may have been given the benefit of the doubt by the jury but he's lost his job. There's a sign there that he wasn't fit for further duty in uniform with the legal power of lethal force behind him.
Failed to listen? Wut? You haven't established that.2) Officer Yanez failed to listen to what Mr. Castile and Ms. Reynolds was trying to tell him. He did NOT hear Mr. Castile say, "I'm not pulling it out" likely because all he was focused on from the moment he heard that the driver of the vehicle was armed was whether or not Mr. Castile would reach for his firearm.
What Castile was doing is contrary to what he was saying so it would have likely ended the same way even if you could establish that the Officer had the Officer not been listening to him.But had Officer Yanez took the time to listen to what Mr. Castile and Ms. Reynolds were saying to him, no shots would've been fired.
He said he was getting nervous after he said Castile was getting hinky and just staring straight ahead.He can be heard off camera stating "he was nervous". This nervousness became apparent once Mr. Castile informed him he had a firearm.
iLOL No.Some people will say, "Well, Mr. Castile should have followed Officer Yanez' instructions and complied. By all accounts, he did!
By his own admission? iLOL Doh!and by his own admission immediately after being shot he clearly states he wasn't reaching for his firearm.
And yet had his hand on the gun in his front pocket while his wallet was all the way to his rear.Furthermore AND as witnessed by Ms. Reynolds, Mr. Castile was reaching for his wallet.
Which is totally irrelevant to the facts that followed.
:lamoWTF ... irrelevant?
If he was Black Running away I'm sure getting shot is the back 50 times would have been relevant.
But NOW you're saying; being courteous, respectful and polite to a Police Officer is irrelevant?
WTF will they think of next for an excuse?
Excuses?BTW ... Defenders ... why did The Police Department release him if everything his did was correct?
Excuse please .....
Joe, two of the initial ten jurors voting for acquittal in this case were black. There was another verdict today in the case of Sylville Smith. Four of the jurors in that case were blacks who found former officer Dominique Heaggan-Brown (who also is black) not guilty. Sorry, but the BLM folks and their fellow travelers need to admit that they're sore losers and that even black people, when faced with the facts, won't goosestep to their tune.
Jury finds Milwaukee officer not guilty in fatal shooting of Sylville Smith | PBS NewsHour
Racism doesn't exist, staph. It was his fault he was pulled over 49 times in 13 years. It was his fault he was shot obviously too /s
As he should have been. Easy case.
Excuses?
iLOL
Doh!
The City of St. Anthony announced that it fired officer Jeronimo Yanez from the department on the day he was cleared of all counts in the killing of Philando Castile.
“The City of St. Anthony has concluded that the public will be best served if Officer Yanez is no longer a police officer in our city,” the statement said. “The city intends to offer Officer Yanez a voluntary separation agreement to help him transition to another career other than being a St. Anthony officer.”
City of St. Anthony fires Yanez
A voluntary separation coupled with the words "concluded that the public will be best served" would not mean he was separated for cause, but more like for reasons of safety, his.
Two jurors were black? Oh wow. That changes ... nothing. Black people make mistakes, too.
That is spin.
"There was no reason to think he was a threat" until he refused to follow commands and reached for his gun and grabbed it anyways. Those things made him a threat.
your reply is illogical.
This was not a dubious shooting or contradictory logic. This is a straight forward case. He was told not to reach for it and then told to get his hand off it. Failure to follow those commands made him a threat.
Bringing race into this just speaks of dubious logic.
1. This isn't about me so stop with the baiting.
2. You also clearly have it in for the CTH. :doh iLOL
2. We have similar positions, I do not take theirs. Learn the difference.
iLOL
No it doesn't. It shows a justified shooting.
I don't know why he was stopped the other 48 times, but I recently replaced a broken brake light on my 2004 Camry. I bought a pair of Sylvania Long Life 3057 bulbs from Walmart for less than three bucks. Took me all of three minutes to replace it.
You forgot to mention the other ten. And the twelve (including four blacks) in Milwaukee in the Smith case who voted for acquittal. And do you remember this guy:
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(I'm guessing not. Hint: He was the jurist who found Officer Caesar R. Goodson, Jr. and Lt. Brian W. Rice not guilty of all charges in the Freddie Gray case. Charges against the other three officers ended up being dropped. Apparently, the Baltimore City State's Attorney didn't bank on the cops placing their fates in the hands of a black judge with a reputation for integrity and fairness instead of Maryland juries who might have been swayed by all of the BLM propaganda being propagated by the media. Either that or they must have known he'd make some mistakes. Go figure. :shrug
Not familiar with the Milwaukee case, but at first glance it seems a far, far more justified shooting than this.
Joe, if you're not familiar with the the Sylville Smith case and the days of rioting in Milwaukee that followed his shooting, then, well, I don't know what to say. Here's a sample of what occurred:
Doubling down on irrelevant race-baiting, eh? I'm really not sure what you're point is. Did you not read my link? There is a pattern of systematic abuse in some communities. There is also a larger issue of police shooting unarmed citizens regardless of race.
Seems like issues of color are making you lose sight of what we're talking about here.
Except that he didn't grab his gun and had about 30 seconds between getting pulled over and getting shot 7 times.
You forgot to mention the other ten. And the twelve (including four blacks) in Milwaukee in the Smith case who voted for acquittal. And do you remember this guy:
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(I'm guessing not. Hint: He was the jurist who found Officer Caesar R. Goodson, Jr. and Lt. Brian W. Rice not guilty of all charges in the Freddie Gray case. Charges against the other three officers ended up being dropped. Apparently, the Baltimore City State's Attorney didn't bank on the cops placing their fates in the hands of a black judge with a reputation for integrity and fairness instead of Maryland juries who might have been swayed by all of the BLM propaganda being propagated by the media. Either that or they must have known he'd make some mistakes. Go figure. :shrug
Kinda ironic that is the same sentence you say pattern of systematic abuse in some communities and irrelevant race-baiting
As for your BLM rant, it's disgusting. I guess we should just dismiss American citizens crying out against systematic abuse as "sore losers."
Read this, then re-evaluate why you're harboring such hate in your heart.
What do you do if you're reaching for your wallet to produce your permit and the cop starts yelling at you to stop reaching for it? If you freeze you're ****ed. If you bring your hand back up you're ****ed.
Resembling someone is a crime now? Look, I can see that as a reason to pull him over, but as a justification to shoot? Unreasonable.
There was no reason to think he was a threat other than his weapon
So I mention BLM in one sentence and that's a "rant," eh? Okay, so what else do you call it when in case after case, when the result doesn't go the way the BLM folks want, they call anyone who supports those verdicts a bigot? I thought calling the BLM people "sore losers" was being nice by comparison. They brand anyone who doesn't a agree with them a bigot or a fascist, but they really need to look in the mirror. Their entire narrative is built around race and using any means necessary to stomp out genuine debate.
Joe, I can honestly say that there are few people on this planet I hate. I find the emotion destructive and it tends to cloud my thinking. What I am is a skeptic. What I do is think for myself and attempt to use logic to determine the truth of a matter so I can draw a fair conclusion. What I see are BLM protesters rioting and attempting to blot out any reasonable discourse on the subject of alleged police malfeasance or brutality. Take for example the protest against Heather MacDonald at Claremont McKenna College in April. They're not interested in hearing anything she has to say, which is fine. They don't have to. But I tend to get a little pissed off when they use force to ensure that no one else can, either. And, seriously, what does it say about where our society is headed when students at a prestigious, selective liberal arts college chant something like "From Oakland to Greece, **** the police!"? Why should I respect them? I don't hate them. I think they're misguided, but they can go **** themselves.
BLM has a point. Not every protest is a mob or a riot. They didn't use force; it was a protest.
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