Obama voted with Harry Reid 95% of the time

[SgtRock]

Obama likes to point out that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Bush has an approval rating of 28%. Obama claims that this represents a 10% chance for change.

Now lets put this in perspective using Obama's voting record. (what little of it there is). Obama voted with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid 95% of the time. The Congressional job approval rating is around 15% (Im being generous).

Does this mean that with Obama as President we will get a 95% chance for more of the same? It does if you use Obama's logic.

 

[Hatuey]

Obama likes to point out that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Bush has an approval rating of 28%. Obama claims that this represents a 10% chance for change.

Now lets put this in perspective using Obama's voting record. (what little of it there is). Obama voted with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid 95% of the time. The Congressional job approval rating is around 15% (Im being generous).

Does this mean that with Obama as President we will get a 95% chance for more of the same? It does if you use Obama's logic.

Can you show a link for this?

 

[Lerxst]

Obama likes to point out that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Bush has an approval rating of 28%. Obama claims that this represents a 10% chance for change.

Now lets put this in perspective using Obama's voting record. (what little of it there is). Obama voted with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid 95% of the time. The Congressional job approval rating is around 15% (Im being generous).

Does this mean that with Obama as President we will get a 95% chance for more of the same? It does if you use Obama's logic.

Well first and foremost, Harry Reid wasn't the President that misled this nation to war, stood watch while we lost jobs, lost homes, lost income, and built a massive foreign debt. That would have been George W. Bush.

Further, we all know Obama is liberal. That is no secret. That he and Reid voted the same is no shock, in fact it's been discussed. So? Obama votes like another liberal...big surprise. McCain votes like a Republican President that should have been arrested for what he did to this nation.

 

[SgtRock]

Can you show a link for this?

Sure what is it exactly that you want a link for? That Obama said McCain represents a 10% chance for change. Or that Obama voted with Harry Reid 95% of the time. Everthing I posted is factual.

 

[Hatuey]

Sure what is it exactly that you want a link for? That Obama said McCain represents a 10% chance for change. Or that Obama voted with Harry Reid 95% of the time. Everthing I posted is factual.

Try everything I highlighted.

 

[SgtRock]

Well first and foremost, Harry Reid wasn't the President that misled this nation to war, stood watch while we lost jobs, lost homes, lost income, and built a massive foreign debt. That would have been George W. Bush.

Further, we all know Obama is liberal. That is no secret. That he and Reid voted the same is no shock, in fact it's been discussed. So? Obama votes like another liberal...big surprise. McCain votes like a Republican President that should have been arrested for what he did to this nation.

Thats your opinion. I notice you didn't address Bush's and the Congressional job approval rating. Seems more people support Bush than support congress which Obama is a part of. And Im not the one who is claiming McCain represents a 10% chance for change. That whould be your messiah, Obama.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Sure what is it exactly that you want a link for? That Obama said McCain represents a 10% chance for change. Or that Obama voted with Harry Reid 95% of the time. Everthing I posted is factual.

So what, as evidenced by the polls, the elections in 2006, voter enthusiasm and so on, the change that voters are looking for are Democratic Party positions. So the fact that he voted with his party against the Republicans and President Bush is the kind of change the people want.

The American people don't have a problem with most of the Democratic Agenda in Congress, after all, the Democrats will almost certainly pick up seats this November and significantly increase their majorities in both houses of congress. They have a problem with congress because the Republicans in congress have been total obstructionists, filibustered a record number of times, and have prevented anything from being accomplished.

 

[Kandahar]

Obama likes to point out that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. Bush has an approval rating of 28%. Obama claims that this represents a 10% chance for change.

Now lets put this in perspective using Obama's voting record. (what little of it there is). Obama voted with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid 95% of the time. The Congressional job approval rating is around 15% (Im being generous).

Does this mean that with Obama as President we will get a 95% chance for more of the same? It does if you use Obama's logic.

Ya, good luck with that line of attack. Most Americans probably don't even know who Harry Reid is. In the eyes of the public, the president always gets the blame/credit for the state of the union, not the Senate majority leader.

 

[Kandahar]

Thats your opinion. I notice you didn't address Bush's and the Congressional job approval rating. Seems more people support Bush than support congress which Obama is a part of.

So? Obama's approval ratings are not the same as Congress' approval ratings. Everyone can find something to hate about Congress, regardless of their political ideology, because it isn't a monolithic entity like the White House.

And Im not the one who is claiming McCain represents a 10% chance for change. That whould be your messiah, Obama.

Umm, are you suggesting that that statement was a compliment to McCain? :lol:

 

[SgtRock]

So what, as evidenced by the polls, the elections in 2006, voter enthusiasm and so on, the change that voters are looking for are Democratic Party positions. So the fact that he voted with his party against the Republicans and President Bush is the kind of change the people want.

The American people don't have a problem with most of the Democratic Agenda in Congress, after all, the Democrats will almost certainly pick up seats this November and significantly increase their majorities in both houses of congress. They have a problem with congress because the Republicans in congress have been total obstructionists, filibustered a record number of times, and have prevented anything from being accomplished.

The change the people want? Really, In case you havn't noticed this country is divided. As evedenced by the last 2 presidential elections. Much of the country is somewhere in the middle. Not on the far left like you, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, And Obama. Look at the polls, McCain and Obama are running neck and neck. So when you say that the American people don't have a problem with most of the Democratic Agenda in Congress. Speck for yourself and Michael Moore.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

The change the people want? Really, In case you havn't noticed this country is divided. As evedenced by the last 2 presidential elections. Much of the country is somewhere in the middle. Not on the far left like you, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, And Obama. Look at the polls, McCain and Obama are running neck and neck. So when you say that the American people don't have a problem with most of the Democratic Agenda in Congress. Speck for yourself and Michael Moore.

I hate to tell you this, but Democrats outnumber Republicans in party registration. They hold the majority of the statehouses. The majority of the governors offices. The majority of local offices around the country, and both houses of congress. This is not a center right country. The change people are looking for is a progressive one. Albeit a moderately progressive one just the same. Everyone knows how much better things were ran under Clinton. Obama is simply advocating a return to those types of domestic policies, and thats what people want.

 

[SgtRock]

So? Obama's approval ratings are not the same as Congress' approval ratings. Everyone can find something to hate about Congress, regardless of their political ideology, because it isn't a monolithic entity like the White House.



Umm, are you suggesting that that statement was a compliment to McCain? :lol:

No Im suggesting that Obama is using McCains voting record to make a point that McCain is about more of the same. But he left out that his own voting record is about more of the same. Divison. The people are divided and so is congress.

 

[SgtRock]

I hate to tell you this, but Democrats outnumber Republicans in party registration. They hold the majority of the statehouses. The majority of the governors offices. The majority of local offices around the country, and both houses of congress. This is not a center right country. The change people are looking for is a progressive one. Albeit a moderately progressive one just the same. Everyone knows how much better things were ran under Clinton. Obama is simply advocating a return to those types of domestic policies, and thats what people want.

I hate to tell you this but in many red states we do not register to a party. Texas for example.

Texas does not have registration by political party a voter becomes a Republican by voting in the Republican Primary or Republican Primary Run-Off.

Republican Party of Texas: RPT Basic Information

 

[Kandahar]

No Im suggesting that Obama is using McCains voting record to make a point that McCain is about more of the same. But he left out that his own voting record is about more of the same. Divison. The people are divided and so is congress.

So McCain's agenda is about "more of the same" of George Bush, and Obama's agenda is about "more of the same" of generic Democratic policies? If that's the narrative you want to go with, that is an argument that John McCain cannot possibly win.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I hate to tell you this but in many red states we do not register to a party. Texas for example.

And in many blue states they don't either. Just the same, the fact is, the Democrats hold the majority of offices at all levels of government. If thats not a popular reject of Republican ideas, then what is?

Moreover, the only candidate the Republicans had a chance at winning with this year is McCain and the only reason why he has a chance is that the public does not associate him with conservative orthodoxy. I know out there in the Texas burbs or where ever you are it might seem as though cons are in the majority. However, step outside that bubble and you will find the country is a lot more diverse and in many ways progressive than you think it is.

 

[SgtRock]

I hate to tell you this, but Democrats outnumber Republicans in party registration. They hold the majority of the statehouses. The majority of the governors offices. The majority of local offices around the country, and both houses of congress. This is not a center right country. The change people are looking for is a progressive one. Albeit a moderately progressive one just the same. Everyone knows how much better things were ran under Clinton. Obama is simply advocating a return to those types of domestic policies, and thats what people want.

The change people are looking for is a progressive one (you mean liberal one)? Then explain why McCain who many conservatives do not care for politically is running neck and neck in the polls with the messiah Obama. He is after all a republican.

 

[SgtRock]

Can't can you. Is that the sound of crickets chirping I here?

 

[Common Sense]

The change people are looking for is a progressive one (you mean liberal one)? Then explain why McCain who many conservatives do not care for politically is running neck and neck in the polls with the messiah Obama. He is after all a republican.

I'll take a stab at this one.

I live in a mostly Republican area. Most business here are owned by Republicans. The workers, even after experiencing wage losses and increase in productivity demands, are strongly advised it would be in their best interest to vote Republican each election cycle. These workers are wonderful people. But they are afraid (as 2 of the women that work with my wife have told me) that they will lose their jobs if they don't vote this way.

There was even a local "incident" where a good old boy went from polling place to polling place checking up on who actually hadn't voted yet and started calling people and telling them to get down there and vote.

Unfortunately, the perception that we all have the freedom to say what we want and think what we want is not entirely true in our country.

 

[Lerxst]

Thats your opinion.

No, that's a fact. It's been proven Bush manipulated the information he used to take us to war, jobs have gone overseas, family income is down, the housing bubble did bust and people lost homes, and our international debt is in the hundreds of billions. Those are all facts. McCain followed Bush around like a bawling calf nodding his head and smiling the entire way.

I notice you didn't address Bush's and the Congressional job approval rating. Seems more people support Bush than support congress which Obama is a part of. And Im not the one who is claiming McCain represents a 10% chance for change. That whould be your messiah, Obama.

What is this supposed to mean? Why would I? Both are miserably low. I know this. What am I supposed to address about it? Do you think I'm going to run and and shout "NO THEY AREN'T!!!!" Congress is made up of a hundreds of members, Obama is but ONE. He also had the highest approval rating among the Senate. He stood out to his constituents.

McCain does not represent change. Given Congress' ****ed up performance, I would think you would be for change. Given your passion for immigration related issues I wouldn't think you would touch old man McSame with a ten foot pole.

 

[Kandahar]

I'll take a stab at this one.

I live in a mostly Republican area. Most business here are owned by Republicans. The workers, even after experiencing wage losses and increase in productivity demands, are strongly advised it would be in their best interest to vote Republican each election cycle. These workers are wonderful people. But they are afraid (as 2 of the women that work with my wife have told me) that they will lose their jobs if they don't vote this way.

There was even a local "incident" where a good old boy went from polling place to polling place checking up on who actually hadn't voted yet and started calling people and telling them to get down there and vote.

Unfortunately, the perception that we all have the freedom to say what we want and think what we want is not entirely true in our country.

I'm pretty sure that that violates some election laws against voter intimidation. The FEC probably needs to be investigating those businesses.

 

[Lerxst]

I hate to tell you this but in many red states we do not register to a party. Texas for example.



Republican Party of Texas: RPT Basic Information

And I hate to tell you this but the primary numbers showed a massive disparity in numbers regarding Dems vs. Reps. I don't care if your state registers voters or not, Republican were outnumbered by Dems at the polls.

 

[Lerxst]

Can't can you. Is that the sound of crickets chirping I here?

Don't pretend you shut this argument down. You have been wrong about half the stuff you said or more.

Where is that link anyway? I'm curious. I'd like to see the numbers.

 

[Lerxst]

The change people are looking for is a progressive one (you mean liberal one)? Then explain why McCain who many conservatives do not care for politically is running neck and neck in the polls with the messiah Obama. He is after all a republican.

He's not neck and neck. He's losing in the polls and in the prediction markets.

RCP Average 08/18 - 08/29 -- Obama 47.7 / McCain 43.8 Obama +3.9

That's an average. Gallup has him up +8.

InTrade market has him up by almost +20.

 

[SgtRock]

He's not neck and neck. He's losing in the polls and in the prediction markets.

RCP Average 08/18 - 08/29 -- Obama 47.7 / McCain 43.8 Obama +3.9

That's an average. Gallup has him up +8.

InTrade market has him up by almost +20.

President Election Polls - Presidential Candidate Polls in 2008 - Swing State Polls

Obama 29% McCain 52% as of 8/29

CNN has them tied as of 8/25

Poll: Race for White House tied - CNN.com

 

[Lerxst]

President Election Polls - Presidential Candidate Polls in 2008 - Swing State Polls

Obama 29% McCain 52% as of 8/29

You wanna decipher that polling data for me because what is on the page clearly doesn't support your information regarding "battle ground states." I wanna see source of the number. The one link that gives your figures doesn't exist, and if you look at all the other polling data there is nothing to substantiate your claim. Look again and tell me what I'm missing. Every other battleground/electoral predictor puts Obama to win.

CNN has them tied as of 8/25

Poll: Race for White House tied - CNN.com

And Gallup, Rasmussen, USA Today, Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, the LA Times, and Hotline/FD all have McCain losing.