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Obama to speak on birth certificate

Hicup said:
Gawd I hate doing this, but you have to admit. If you were Obama and you KNEW you were eligible all along, sticking it to your detractors would provide some level of arrogance, and one-up-manship, no?

be honesr..


Tim-
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Your honesty is appreciated and it places you above the fold.
 

Yes. Have you never played poker? A good player definately wouldn't show his superior hand when the other player is bluffing. That's exactly why I would prefer Trump over Obama. Trump is a business person, a negotiator. I'd much prefer a good negotiator, even if he is a bluffer, than a week negotiator who leaves money on the table.

the president doesn't have the power to makes laws, he just leads and negotiates.
 
He could've played it better, but he didn't play it poorly.

Trump, being the name he is, managed to get this going at a national level of awareness due to his notoriety (but with still a national roll of the eyes). However, the fact he was being aggressive and the fact he's a name that people recognize managed to get some polls going up in his favor.

Obama would've been better off politically letting this snow ball even farther, letting more republicans show how dumb they were by jumping on this, and then releasing it shortly before the first few debates. But doing it now still pretty much obliterates Trumps little attempt, makes him look foolish to have made such a big deal out of something that was obvious from the start, and ends the whole crap. By letting it go on for the past few weeks however he managed to let it dillude much of the talk that would've instead been about the Budget that would've likely been far worse for him.

He didn't do as well as he could, he surely didn't do poorly though....not from a political stand point.
 




I disagree. I think trump made the POTUS submit to his pressure. Obama should have held this ace until the debates.

And again, I'd sooner vote for Obama than trump.
 

You do not know what Obama did he is hiding everything about his past
 
zimmer said:
Obama's origin of birth is a fair question, and one that wasn't answered, and should have been answered years ago.
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It WAS answered years ago ...



 
sazerac said:
Are you being serious? I have to know whether to like or not. You'd think of all members I would know.
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No, I'm not being serious. Its ****ing retarded. Trump is ****ing retarded. The whole fact that during all the budget stuff going on we were talking about something that was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS and was settled for all but the most paranoid conspiracy theorists, racists, hyper partisans, and ignorant people is just completely maddening. No its not the real issue...IT wasn't ANY issue. It wasn't ****ing legitimate, and the end of it all was.........THAT OBAMA WAS TELLING THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TIME.

Trumps not a hero, he's a jackass that took a shat on the American Public and political discourse in this country.
 
Re: White House releases Obama birth certificate


I think it's pretty sad that he had to do all this just please some idiots... I can't imagine what Bachmann and Trump or going to say now, but they probably won't admit how idiotic they acted. I mean really, I am not surprised that he is an American citizen.
 

I think releasing it during the republican convention would have been an incredibly effective if some one cheap tactic. I find it hard to believe that if he had not released it yet, it would have been brought up by some at the convention.
 

Yeah, I would agree with this, but it probably wouldn't have happened anyway. He probably has analysts looking at the numbers, and they decided now was a good time.. :shrug:
 




I think the real reason Obama blinked however was a recent poll regarding more people thinking he was born overseas. Right or wrong, I think that was his true impetus here.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
I disagree. I think trump made the POTUS submit to his pressure. Obama should have held this ace until the debates.

And again, I'd sooner vote for Obama than trump.
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You are also the one who complained about Michele Obama's weight. You have proven that no matter what, Obama and family will do the wrong thing.
 
LOL @ Beck, Stu and Pat talking about this on radio today.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
And it only cost him his integrity. Was it worth it to Donald Trump, who in my opinion, has no chance to run for president now?
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Asking questions, doing the job the press should have done years ago costs one their credibility? ROTFLOL... not.

Trump's chances have increased should he want to run. I'd love to see Trump debate Obama... he'd squash the Marxist in a flash. The man who actually has run something vs. Obama who has only run his mouth... and the Harvard law review... ROTFLOL.

You know Trump wouldn't let Barack Hussein Obama II pull the lame assed crap he was able to get away with last time around. How do we know? He just took on Obama smash mouth, head on on this issue, one that should have been resolved years ago.

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ptif219 said:
Since Trump supported Obama in the last election is Trump wanting to be a Ross Perot and hand the election to Obama?
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If Trump were to run as an Independent, no doubt. I don't believe Trump can even run after a humiliating defeat like he was just handed.

No matter how you try to spin it, Trump put the birfer thing out there front and center -- and he just got smacked down.
 
hazlnut said:
Trump has been shown to be a liar and full of crap... How exactly did he win?

What did the crack team of 'investigators' turn up in Hawaii... What about all those claims Trump made? He just got his ass handed to him.
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What did he lie about? He said that he was investigating the situation, I have no reason to believe he wasn't. Trumps never made any claim other than the fact that there was some contention as to Obamas place of birth and that the issue should be resolved. We may never know what his investigators found, maybe nothing, but regardless, Trump forced Obama into resolving the issue, or at least attempting to.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I think the real reason Obama blinked however was a recent poll regarding more people thinking he was born overseas. Right or wrong, I think that was his true impetus here.
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I agree, but that goes back to me saying it was politically intelligent to do it, not a "flinch". People will at times midnlessly go along or buy something they hear a bunch, and since Trump is a big name and gets attention then the topic gets talked about more. Its the same as people thinking Bush said Iraq was involved in 9/11...Bush never said it, but people heard it repeated so much that they started to buy in. Same thing here. So because a big name grabbed it and was causing it to be talked about more, more people start wondering based on mob mentality of stupidity, and thus it was politically advantageous of him to put a stop to it.

If the poll numbers didn't go up, THEN Obama would've been "Flinching" because Trump would've had no effect and he would be reacting out of fear that Trump WOULD have an affect.

However that's not the case. This is more a case, taking the punching analogy, of Trump actually hitting Obama in the arm a few times and Obama finally getting annoyed with the slow escalation of how sore his arm is getting and so reaches over and gives a punch right back finally.
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
And it only cost him his integrity. Was it worth it to Donald Trump, who in my opinion, has no chance to run for president now?
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Trump is a joke, he never had a chance at the outset. If he were to actually file, he would need to disclose his finances. He won't do that, because he is not as wealthy as he would have you believe, IMO. He needs his TV show.
 
Redress said:
You are also the one who complained about Michele Obama's weight. You have proven that no matter what, Obama and family will do the wrong thing.
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I still think if you are going to tell me to eat right, you shouldn't be packing on the pounds. WTF does ths have to do with the topic. :lol:



I've modified my position anyway, I saw a poll or something yesterday I heard it in passing, that more people than ever before were questioning his birthplace. if this is the case, this would be the reason he released it. and his timing was probably right on this to head off a snowball effect that trump was causing..

basically, trump backed him into a corner with his loud mouthed showboating and Obama had to act. :shrug:
 
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