Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers

[mac]

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Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

"In an effort to cut defense spending, the Obama Administration plans to cut health benefits for active duty and retired military personnel and their families while not touching the benefits enjoyed by unionized civilian defense workers."

Despicable.

 

[Diogenes]

"Despicable" is only the first of a number of adjectives that come to mind...

 

[Jetboogieman]

Do you have anything from a better source that isn't a blog and that isn't from February 2012?

And that doesn't have the following words:

It's one more reason Barack Hussein Obama does not deserve to be re-elected in November.

Source fail.

 

[Somerville]

Looks like just another rightie who 'knows' the TRUTH and the facts be damned

GOP Senator puts 'secret' hold on COLA increase for veterans benefits

The chairman of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee complained Thursday that an unnamed Republican senator blocked a bill last week to provide veterans with an annual cost of living adjustment, a maneuver that could delay payments for recpients.

Here's the problem, not only for the Obama Administration but also for those trying to get bills thru the Senate under any President

Under Senate rules requiring unanimous consent, a single senator can block legislation by privately placing a hold on the bill.

This is a bill that passed the House with support from Republicans and Democrats

Then there was the jobs bill for veterans shot down by Republicans

Legislation to put veterans to work preserving and restoring national parks and other federal, state and local lands was defeated Wednesday afternoon when Senate Republicans successfully blocked the bill’s advance with a budgetary point of order.

but back to the subject where some random Republican made a claim about Obama trying to cut veterans healthcare

Budget Panel Eyes End to VA Care for 1.3 Million Vets

The House Budget Committee, chaired by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), has told a veterans' group it is studying a plan to save $6 billion annually in VA health care costs by cancelling enrollment of any veteran who doesn't have a service-related medical condition and is not poor.

Committee Republicans, searching for ways to curb federal deficits and rein in galloping VA costs, are targeting 1.3 million veterans who claim priority group 7 or 8 status and have access to VA care.

That was Paul Ryan's stance last year

Then there is Obama's budget request - remember Congress hasn't been able to pass a budget for years - for FY2013, in which $40 billion dollars is meant to go to the Veterans Administration, that's 40% more than the VA budget in FY2009, Bush's last one.

 

[mac]

Do you have anything from a better source that isn't a blog and that isn't from February 2012?

The View | Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

And that doesn't have the following words:



Source fail.

That isn't his name?!

:shock:

 

[roughdraft274]

The View | Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

That's a forum! That isn't a source, lol. What are you thinking? It's a forum. That's like me creating a thread here that said Romney eats babies, and then using that thread I created as a source for my claim that Romney eats babies. It makes no sense. It's a forum. Like this one. I really can't stress that enough. You are sourcing an opinion that was on a forum that provided no facts. A forum. An opinion, on a forum, like this one. With no facts. Forum.

 

[Jetboogieman]

The View | Obama to cut healthcare benefits for active duty and retired US military

So we went from Blog to "The View" Forum post.

Not sure if it's progress.

That isn't his name?!

:shock:

It is, but it usually indicated the writer of said piece is a moron.

 

[mac]

That's a forum! That isn't a source, lol. What are you thinking? It's a forum. That's like me creating a thread here that said Romney eats babies, and then using that thread I created as a source for my claim that Romney eats babies. It makes no sense. It's a forum. Like this one. I really can't stress that enough. You are sourcing an opinion that was on a forum that provided no facts. A forum. An opinion, on a forum, like this one. With no facts. Forum.

DoD Officials Say Retiree TRICARE Fee Increase Essential, Despite Some Strong Objections from Congress

Dude, google it yourself.

So we went from Blog to "The View" Forum post.

Not sure if it's progress.

See above.

It is, but it usually indicated the writer of said piece is a moron.

So, using his name is wrong? Is his name offensive, or something?

 

[cpwill]

Much like discussing welfare, voting against Obamacare, and driving a pickup truck, believing that the President has a middle name is racist.

 

[mac]

No question the source claim on the last one, Jet?

 

[waas]

Much like discussing welfare, voting against Obamacare, and driving a pickup truck, believing that the President has a middle name is racist.

Here's a good question. Why is it that you harp on this middle name?

It's not that you're using it to liken the incumbent to a certain felled leader as a way of strengthening the idea that he's Muslim. No... that can't be it.

 

[cpwill]

Here's a good question. Why is it that you harp on this middle name?

:shrug: I don't. I simply don't buy the notion that conservatives are a bunch of closet racists.

 

[vvx]

With the middle name, the question really is would the middle name be used if it wasn't Hussein? George W. Bush obviously had his middle initial widely used. Though that was probably to differentiate him from the first George Bush president. I can't remember anyone using Bill Clinton's middle name. Ronald Reagan, well I would have been pretty young but still don't know what his middle name is.

So I believe that people spell out his middle name because it's an Arabic name common in the middle east. That said, I don't think it's really a conservative vs. liberal issue. If Mitt Romney happened to have a middle name that sounded bad I think liberals too would write it out. Not all liberals of course. Most conservatives aren't talking about Barack Hussein Obama. It's a small minority. And I think there would be a small minority of liberals that would do the same to a republican.

However, it does suggest something about anyone who uses the name in other than a very formal context.

 

[274ina]

Cutting spending is not cutting benifits.

Not for Medicare
military.......

And dont worry, those military will now be able to afford healthcare with the ACA soon the same as the rest of us.

And considering military pay has gone up 4 or 6 TIMES since I was in, in 1985, they can afford to pay more.

Civilian pay has gone DOWN in that same time period.

 

[mac]

Cutting spending is not cutting benifits.

Not for Medicare
military.......

And dont worry, those military will now be able to afford healthcare with the ACA soon the same as the rest of us.

And considering military pay has gone up 4 or 6 TIMES since I was in, in 1985, they can afford to pay more.

Civilian pay has gone DOWN in that same time period.

The benefits that are being cut are part of what's factored into the military pay to civilian pay equivelancy. By reducing beneifis you are reducing what is considered "pay" for the military.

In order to make the compensation seem equtiable: tax benefits, commisary access, housing allowances, and medical benefits are used to justify the notion that military personnel are compensated equally to civilians in their peer groups. But of course, civilians aren't spending extended time away from their families in friendly, fun filled places like Afghanistan while playing cowboys and indians with live ammo. That's not factored in to the compensation.

 

[Navy Pride]

[h=1]Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers[/h]
Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

"In an effort to cut defense spending, the Obama Administration plans to cut health benefits for active duty and retired military personnel and their families while not touching the benefits enjoyed by unionized civilian defense workers."

Despicable.

I have been saying this would happen for 4 years.......Truth be told, Obama hates our military and has total disdain for it.........

 

[Navy Pride]

Cutting spending is not cutting benifits.

Not for Medicare
military.......

And dont worry, those military will now be able to afford healthcare with the ACA soon the same as the rest of us.

And considering military pay has gone up 4 or 6 TIMES since I was in, in 1985, they can afford to pay more.

Civilian pay has gone DOWN in that same time period.

What planet are you from? There are people in the military on food stamps...........

 

[274ina]

What planet are you from? There are people in the military on food stamps...........

E-1 less than 2 years makes $1516 per month. 9 no rent, no HC expence, No food expence, no clothing expence, no commute expence, no car expence, etc etc etc .

This is more than I make working a 30 hr week job.

This is many times more than the $700 month allowed to get any SNAP at all. (in AZ)

See, reality is far from the lies of the GOP........

 

[274ina]

The benefits that are being cut are part of what's factored into the military pay to civilian pay equivelancy. By reducing beneifis you are reducing what is considered "pay" for the military.

In order to make the compensation seem equtiable: tax benefits, commisary access, housing allowances, and medical benefits are used to justify the notion that military personnel are compensated equally to civilians in their peer groups. But of course, civilians aren't spending extended time away from their families in friendly, fun filled places like Afghanistan while playing cowboys and indians with live ammo. That's not factored in to the compensation.

Your military is over paid anyway.

Your E-1 with less than 2 years makes $1516 month. And pays for NOHTING.

I dont make 1/2 that working 30 hr job. I pay for rent, home, commute, get no HC at all, pay for cloths, bedding, everything.


your military scum pay for NOTHING.

Thye can pay a few $$$ more per month for HC that they get.

That or show me a active Military that has been refused ANY kind of HC. 26,000 Americans die each year from no HC.

 

[mac]

E-1 less than 2 years makes $1516 per month. 9 no rent, no HC expence, No food expence, no clothing expence, no commute expence, no car expence, etc etc etc .

This is mostly false. The military does not provide uniforms, they are purchased. The anual uniform clothing allowance is meant to replace the very expensive and quckly worn out uniforms due to the extreme types of work that's being done. It amounts to about 1/5 of the cost of replacing all the required uniforms the average soldier/sailor is required to maintain. A married E-1 does have a "commute expense", does have "food expense" and does pay co-pays for his/her family members.

This is more than I make working a 30 hr week job.

Well, double that to 60 and you'd be working as much as the average E-1.

See, reality is far from the lies of the GOP........

Reality is far from your understanding of how things work.

Your military is over paid anyway.

Your E-1 with less than 2 years makes $1516 month. And pays for NOHTING.

Simply based on a 40 hour week, which is the norm for salaried workers, that works out to 9.47 and hour. That's less than Walmart pays unskilled workers. But, no E-1 works a 40 hour week, They work at least 50, usually more while at home. And as much as 112 a week while deployed. When's the last time you spent a year away from your family in a hostile environament working 7 days a week, 12-16 hours a day?

I dont make 1/2 that working 30 hr job. I pay for rent, home, commute, get no HC at all, pay for cloths, bedding, everything.

You make far more than half that when you consider how much less you work a week then they do.

your military scum pay for NOTHING.

Your "military scum" pays mortgages, rent, co-pays, etc, etc. Beyond your offensive speech, you are clearly clueless about what the average military member goes through.

Thye can pay a few $$$ more per month for HC that they get.

I thought you said they didn't pay for healthcare?

That or show me a active Military that has been refused ANY kind of HC. 26,000 Americans die each year from no HC.

Show me a civilian suffering traumatic brain injury as a result of an IED explosion.

 

[Somerville]

My earlier post which obviously some people didn't bother to read

Looks like just another rightie who 'knows' the TRUTH and the facts be damned


but back to the subject where some random Republican made a claim about Obama trying to cut veterans healthcare

Budget Panel Eyes End to VA Care for 1.3 Million Vets

The House Budget Committee, chaired by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), has told a veterans' group it is studying a plan to save $6 billion annually in VA health care costs by cancelling enrollment of any veteran who doesn't have a service-related medical condition and is not poor.

Committee Republicans, searching for ways to curb federal deficits and rein in galloping VA costs, are targeting 1.3 million veterans who claim priority group 7 or 8 status and have access to VA care.

That was Paul Ryan's stance last year

Then there is Obama's budget request - remember Congress hasn't been able to pass a budget for years - for FY2013, in which $40 billion dollars is meant to go to the Veterans Administration, that's 40% more than the VA budget in FY2009, Bush's last one.

You guys have heard of this Paul Ryan, haven't you? The 'numbers guy', the 'tax wonk' who is presently running for the office of Vice President?


You throw up some nonsense about how the President "hates the military" just because you hate him and refuse to acknowledge that your guy wanted an even bigger cut than the amount Obama supposedly wanted to take from the VA. You cannot conduct a debate if you stick your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes and sing La la la . . . can't hear you!

 

[ManAgainstTime]

He should be cutting all health care. So I agree this is despicable only because it's hypocritical...

 

[sharon]

[h=1]Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers[/h]
Obama to cut medical benefits for active, retired military, not union workers - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com

"In an effort to cut defense spending, the Obama Administration plans to cut health benefits for active duty and retired military personnel and their families while not touching the benefits enjoyed by unionized civilian defense workers."

Despicable.

Sounds like someone should check their facts.. Obama just expanded services for wounded warriors.

Which unionized civil defense workers?

 

[mac]

Sounds like someone should check their facts.. Obama just expanded services for wounded warriors.

Perhaps you would like to back up those facts.

"Military personnel would see their annual Tricare premiums increase anywhere from 30 - 78 percent in the first year, followed by sharply increased premiums "ranging from 94 percent to 345 percent—more than 3 times current levels."

Which unionized civil defense workers?

All of them.

 

[mac]

My earlier post which obviously some people didn't bother to read




You guys have heard of this Paul Ryan, haven't you? The 'numbers guy', the 'tax wonk' who is presently running for the office of Vice President?


You throw up some nonsense about how the President "hates the military" just because you hate him and refuse to acknowledge that your guy wanted an even bigger cut than the amount Obama supposedly wanted to take from the VA. You cannot conduct a debate if you stick your fingers in your ears, cover your eyes and sing La la la . . . can't hear you!

What you're referenicing is the plan to cut VA medical services to someone that served 4 years (did not retire) does not have service related injuries/medical problems and can afford healthcare.

What Obama is proposing is raising ALL veteran healthcare premiums by as much as 345%. These are people that served 20 years or more, and have retired...with or without serivce related disabilities.

There is quite a difference.