and I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth.
#2 and most importantly you are assuming a genetic connection with homosexuality which has never been proven
Homosexual behaviour is largely shaped by genetics and random environmental factors, according to findings from the world's largest study of twins. Writing in the scientific journal Archives of Sexual Behavior, researchers from Queen Mary's School of Biological and Chemical Sciences, and Karolinska Institutet in Stockholm report that genetics and environmental factors (which are specific to an individual, and may include biological processes such as different hormone exposure in the womb), are important determinants of homosexual behaviour.
Dr Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, explains: "This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single 'gay gene' or a single environmental variable which could be used to 'select out' homosexuality - the factors which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about homosexuality here - heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and environmental factors.
"It is clear that our findings, if confirmed by further research, are only one piece in a much larger puzzle on the nature of human sexuality," they said.
In 2002, the Nuffield Council on Bioethics produced a report into the possible link between genes and behaviour, which included sexual orientation.
It concluded: "There are numerous problems with genetic and other biological research into sexual orientation which mean that any reported findings must be viewed with caution."
It said many of the genetic studies were too small to draw definite conclusions from.
US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men, feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn combination of genetic and environmental factors that largely decide a person's sexual attractions before they are born.
Such findings - including a highly anticipated study this winter - would further inform the debate over whether homosexuality is innate or a choice, an undercurrent of California's recent Proposition 8 campaign in which television commercials warned that "schools would begin teaching second-graders that boys could marry boys", suggesting homosexuality would then spread.
Some scientists say the political and moral debate over same-sex marriage frequently strayed from established scientific evidence, including comments by Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin that homosexuality is "a choice" and "a decision".
While sexual behaviour may be chosen, the preponderance of researchers say attraction is dictated by biology, with no demonstrated contribution from social factors such as parenting or other factors after birth.
A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the "concordance" of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.
Rape is a crime of violence, not a crime of sex. Further, I have no idea how you see any relevance in what you just said.
You are so full of crap. I said no such thing. Didn't even imply it.
Here's the exchange, for those who need their memories refreshed...
YOU are the one suggesting that we "kick out all the conservative Christians and headstrong alpha males." I never even got close to that steaming pile of crap you're lobbing around.
You are a blatant and shameless liar, and
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You said they should be willing to serve with a gay person, but a lot of them (grunts) might not be. In light of this fact, what do you propose we do? Just kick out the ones who aren't okay with gays? I mean, what else could you do?
What happens when a white soldier doesn't want to serve with black soldiers? Well there is your answer.
Its not the same thing...I served with many black sailors aboard ship and had no problem with it.........
I bet some of those soldiers were gay too.
They were sailors and they could have been...I don't know.....Your point is?
Its not the same thing...I served with many black sailors aboard ship and had no problem with it.........
What happens when a white soldier doesn't want to serve with black soldiers? Well there is your answer.
There are no racists in the navy I take it? Seriously stop bringing up your service as a reference. Nobody gives a **** what a single person thinks. This is about policy and how the military as a whole will react.
I have never heard of that happening in the Navy.........
On October 12, as the Kitty Hawk sailed toward North Vietnam, a Naval investigating officer was questioning crew members about a heated fight that had taken place the night before in Subic Bay in the Phillipines. The fight had resulted in the arrest of live blacks and lout whiles; the only sailors called in for questioning were black. Angry with this kind of discrimination, the blacks who had been questioned later gathered on the deck with other black crewmembers to rap about it, and, nervously overreacting, the brass called in a marine riot squad to break it up. Fights then broke out all over the ship involving over 100 white and black sailors. Twentyfive blacks- and no whites-were charged with "assault and rioting.''
Navy racism was highlighted by the mass resistance of sailors of the USS Constellation. The brass, under pressure to get rid of a number of the crew because of the overcrowded condition of the ship, was attempting nearly exclusively to discharge blacks. Challenging this, on November 3, 80 blacks gathered on deck demanding an audience with the Captain. When he refused to meet with them, other crewmembers joined them and they all staged a sit-down demonstration that lasted through the night and into the next day. At one point, there were over 300 sailors, including whites, sitting in protest.
These are some snippets from The Carrier - a PBS documentary that just came about about the lives of folks living on the USS Nimitz an aircraft carrier that went into the Gulf in 2004. This set is about a particular guys who is kicked out of the Navy for racism.
There are no racists in the navy I take it? Seriously stop bringing up your service as a reference. Nobody gives a **** what a single person thinks. This is about policy and how the military as a whole will react.
There are gays through our society so of course there are gays in the military......Every one that enlists in the military knows there will be people from other sexualities there...
You've never heard of racism in the Navy?
Sailors Fight Navy Racism
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Now you have. :2wave:
So Navy, now that we have stated that regardless of other sexualities within the military, people still decide to join. Do you not see how ridiculous your position is yet?
Well I am a perfect example of how they will react and quit bringing up blacks every time a thread about gays comes up....it gets old and stale..Get some new material..........
Navy, you can not be a perfect example of how racist people will react since you are not a racist yourself. It is sad that you can not see how illogical your positions. And I'll keep bringing it up because the only thing old and stale here is you and your positions really.
Not at all........as long as DADT is in effect people will still join..........
Most people that serve in the Navy are not racist....In fact a small percentage are..........
And they will join when it is not. What exactly is your point?
And the majority of people aren't homophobic. In fact a small percentage are. You among them. What exactly is your point?
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