Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.
Wasn't very smart??? Why? Because it's possible she could have let the taxpayers handle at least some of that for her?
Holy ****, what the **** ever happened to personal responsibility?
Wasn't very smart??? Why? Because it's possible she could have let the taxpayers handle at least some of that for her?
Holy ****, what the **** ever happened to personal responsibility?
What is amazing is that comments like "You didn't build that", take the hard work of people, like my friend, and make it "non exceptional". If her accomplishment was so easy, then everyone would be in her shoes. But that is not how it works. If it weren't for people like her, who are willing to work hard, save, deny themselves, pay taxes and build a business, then the govt wouldn't be spending as large as they do.
Personal responsibility? According to the story she opened an "Accounting firm"... oh really? You think if her firm can receive a tax subsidy or break she'll take it then? If so, and I am quite sure it would, why would you not save yourself money by going to community college for the first two years and/or take government financial aid since you are broke?
There is literally no difference.
Yes it is obvious you believe such nonsense. Apples and oranges, and doing what is needed vs placing unneeded burden on everyone else. I'm sorry, but while bible thumpers cause problems of their own, this ho-hum get the government to take care of me attitude the left has, and has been working to instill into everyone, is really the lynch pin in the downfall of humanity.
There are a lot of people in her shoes. I got a college degree, of course, I went to community college and took government financial aid because I have a brain. I also worked at the same time and my family helped me when I needed it. But I'm not so stuck up with my head up my ass that I can't tell that I didn't do it all on my own.
Hell, I even give a lot of credit to my professors in my success. Bet you won't hear many conservatives preaching that.
Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.
No I'm not. It is merely a fact he had help. As did I. However, it is true I don't believe many, if any, actually do anything great completely on their own. That doesn't mean he did nothing, or that I did nothing, or anyone else.
without public infrastructure, commerce would exist, but you'd be paying local warlords instead of government, and you'd get a lot less for your money.
Funny, from the posters who want to pin Romney to the wall if his words are a bit off, now we have Obama lackeys saying this isn't fair, who know what he really meant.
The problem for Obama is yes we do know he really meant and it is not the BS cited above.
Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.
Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.
Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.
Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.
Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.
I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.
You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer.
It was built by taxpayers, including for a large part business people. I really don't understand the point of portraying government as this completely benign and altruistic entity which gives, gives and gives, yet asks for nothing.It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.
Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.
Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
my point is that business and everyone else uses and benefits from public infrastructure. that was also the point of the quote in context. it was made into an out of context sound bite, which is done equally by both sides. I find that practice to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. at this site, we can actually discuss these issues at length, as this thread illustrates. it bothers me that the same discussion on a wider scale gets reduced to emotionally charged rhetoric.
Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners.
rocket88 said:Here's what I get from what he said: businesses do not exist in a vacuum.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
1) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses and go start a business.
2) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses, go start a business and pay taxes to fund construction of that infrastructure.
It's true, that without that infrastructure businesses would have a harder time doing business, however at the end of the day, it takes that one person displaying some ambition, getting off his ass and making something happen. To say otherwise cheapens the entrepreneurial spirit in this country.
Consumers don't frequent a business just to be nice. They have a demand for a good, or service and that business owner meets that demand.
Consumers don't spend money for the hell of it.
Employees don't work for free.
Banks want their money back, with interest.
And, those businesses did just as much to pay for all that infrastructure as anyone else.
Then I suppose Obama also claims that no one is really responsible for his or her failures too. That also is the result of other people. We are all just workers of the big ant hive, also born to live and die serving the hive.
Only malcontent evil people claim any individuality or lack of life obligation to the good of the hive.
The business owners do not operate their business in a vacuum.
Without the consumer, there is no business. You just confirmed what I said that it takes more than the owners.
first you call Obama a Fascist.
now he's a malcontent. do you have anything of substance to say about him or just gonna make stupid attacks?
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