Obama Skirts Hobby Lobby With New Rule

[MrT]

The Obama administration on Friday issued its final rules for employers who morally object to covering birth control in their health insurance plans. The accommodation ensures that all employed women, unless they work for a place of worship, will still have their birth control covered at no cost to them, even if their employers refuse to cover it.

Under the new rule, a closely held for-profit company that objects to covering contraception in its health plan can write a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services stating its objection. HHS will then notify a third-party insurer of the company's objection, and the insurer will provide birth control coverage to the company's female employees at no additional cost to the company.

White House Finds Way Around Hobby Lobby Birth Control Decision

Sounds like a win for everyone. Religious organizations can still avoid paying for certain types of birth control for their employees because of their deeply held religious beliefs and yet their female employees can still obtain said birth control at no additional cost. And all of this is accomplished without subjecting a common sense compromise to the debate from a congress that has expressed historic levels of obstruction.

 

[logansrun]

IN other words, everybody else will be paying for Hobby Lobby's expenses except Hobby Lobby.

 

[countryboy]

IN other words, everybody else will be paying for Hobby Lobby's expenses except Hobby Lobby.

What, Hobby Lobby doesn't pay taxes? :roll:

 

[Glen Contrarian]

The Obama administration on Friday issued its final rules for employers who morally object to covering birth control in their health insurance plans. The accommodation ensures that all employed women, unless they work for a place of worship, will still have their birth control covered at no cost to them, even if their employers refuse to cover it.

Under the new rule, a closely held for-profit company that objects to covering contraception in its health plan can write a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services stating its objection. HHS will then notify a third-party insurer of the company's objection, and the insurer will provide birth control coverage to the company's female employees at no additional cost to the company.

White House Finds Way Around Hobby Lobby Birth Control Decision

Sounds like a win for everyone. Religious organizations can still avoid paying for certain types of birth control for their employees because of their deeply held religious beliefs and yet their female employees can still obtain said birth control at no additional cost. And all of this is accomplished without subjecting a common sense compromise to the debate from a congress that has expressed historic levels of obstruction.

Tyranny!!!!! How DARE the Kenyan/Muslim/Atheist/Socialist/Nazi/Commie-in-Chief do anything at all to give women a choice in the matter! Women need to be barefoot and pregnant, remember! They need Real Men to make all their decisions and make them pregnant! Obamanation! Hangin's too good fer 'im, I say!

And just in case anybody with a badge is reading all that, I hope that the sarcasm and scorn towards those who hate Obama is crystal-clear.

 

[tres borrachos]

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) expressed frustration on Friday that the White House had to accommodate the religious objections of for-profit companies in the first place, adding that she is working on a legislative fix to override the Supreme Court's ruling.

“Only a year has passed since five male justices told American women their health care decisions and benefits are their boss’s business," Murray said. "Already, we’ve seen employers across the country deny women access to health insurance benefits they have earned, and threaten a worker’s right to make their own autonomous decisions about everything from vaccinations to HIV treatment.

"In the 21st century, women should be able to make their own decisions about their own bodies—and no one should have to ask their boss for permission to get the health care they need. I’m committing to continuing to fight, along with the Administration and all my colleagues, to fix this Supreme Court-issued license to discriminate and protect the rights of women and families across our country.”

Holy ****, how stupid is she? Ask your boss for permission to get health care? WTF? No. Not even close. Healthcare benefits aren't your boss' business? Uh, yes they are. Your boss provides you with these benefits.

But as to the OP, not an important issue that the POTUS should be focusing on while the economy is in a shambles and our borders are pretty screwed up, but I do give him props for acknowledging that the HL ruling respects the religious beliefs of these people who have these businesses.

 

[tres borrachos]

IN other words, everybody else will be paying for Hobby Lobby's expenses except Hobby Lobby.

How so?

 

[Henrin]

Obama the scumbag is being a scumbag again. How is this even news anymore?

 

[Henrin]

Tyranny!!!!! How DARE the Kenyan/Muslim/Atheist/Socialist/Nazi/Commie-in-Chief do anything at all to give women a choice in the matter! Women need to be barefoot and pregnant, remember! They need Real Men to make all their decisions and make them pregnant! Obamanation! Hangin's too good fer 'im, I say!

And just in case anybody with a badge is reading all that, I hope that the sarcasm and scorn towards those who hate Obama is crystal-clear.

Oh for ****s sakes, because they couldn't get birth control unless someone does their bidding. Why are liberals so pathetic these days?

Apparently, you're calling women self reliant and strong that don't need men, but here you are defending a man defending them. Ironic? Oh yeah.

 

[beefheart]

Tyranny!!!!! How DARE the Kenyan/Muslim/Atheist/Socialist/Nazi/Commie-in-Chief do anything at all to give women a choice in the matter! Women need to be barefoot and pregnant, remember! They need Real Men to make all their decisions and make them pregnant! Obamanation! Hangin's too good fer 'im, I say!

And just in case anybody with a badge is reading all that, I hope that the sarcasm and scorn towards those who hate Obama is crystal-clear.

Yeah...who do they think they are...taking them whore pills?

 

[MrT]

Obama the scumbag is being a scumbag again. How is this even news anymore?

How is this even a reasonable criticism? **** man, the religious institutions still avoid paying for birth control AND the women still get access for no extra cost - how are you still complaining?

 

[Henrin]

How is this even a reasonable criticism? **** man, the religious institutions still avoid paying for birth control AND the women still get access for no extra cost - how are you still complaining?

Because people don't WANT to provide them the ****ing pills. How is this hard to understand? What do you think the damn court ruling was about anyway? Flowers or some ****?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Oh for ****s sakes, because they couldn't get birth control unless someone does their bidding. Why are liberals so pathetic these days?

Apparently, you're calling women self reliant strong women that don't need men, but here you defending a man that is defending them. Ironic? Oh yeah.

Problem with people who think as you do is that they simply don't realize that MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control:

The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.

Whereas I'm not too sure there's any reason why - other than sex - that men take Viagra, which most health plans pay for with no problem.

 

[Henrin]

Problem with people who think as you do is that they simply don't realize that MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control:

The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.

Whereas I'm not too sure there's any reason why - other than sex - that men take Viagra, which most health plans pay for with no problem.

I don't care.

 

[Beaudreaux]

First, Hobby Lobby was about the federal government forcing companies to pay for certain types of "birth control" that do not prevent conception, but rather work to cause an abortion (prevent the fertilized egg from adhering to the uterine wall, etc.).

Second, in no way was the Hobby Lobby case about "Birth Control" or a woman's right to choose, or anything else about the woman. It was about forcing someone else to pay for what the woman wanted to do.

Third, there is a long standing rider to federal law that has been attached to every Appropriations Bill since 1976 (for 39 years so far), known as the Hyde Amendment, that prohibits federal funds from being used to pay for abortions.

Looks to me like Obama has bypassed Federal Law... Once Again.

Anyone actually surprised? Probably another instance where the SCOTUS will reverse his Executive Order.

 

[MrT]

Because people don't WANT to provide them the ****ing pills. How is this hard to understand? What do you think the damn court ruling was about anyway? Flowers or some ****?

The religious institutions are NOT providing them with the pills. Are you trying to argue that the religious institutions should be able to PREVENT their employees from obtaining these pills?

 

[Henrin]

The religious institutions are NOT providing them with the pills. Are you trying to argue that the religious institutions should be able to PREVENT their employees from obtaining these pills?

The accommodation ensures that all employed women, unless they work for a place of worship, will still have their birth control covered at no cost to them, even if their employers refuse to cover it.

This isn't good enough. Period. No one should be forced to provide another person a service, ever. What is with liberals and forcing other people to provide them things? Where do they even get the idea to do that? Are they five?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Problem with people who think as you do is that they simply don't realize that MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control:

The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.

Whereas I'm not too sure there's any reason why - other than sex - that men take Viagra, which most health plans pay for with no problem.

What most people actually don't understand, is that the Hobby Lobby case had nothing to do with the pills that are prescribed to women for other medical reasons, but was rather about certain types of pills that act to cause an abortion of a fertilized egg.

 

[countryboy]

Problem with people who think as you do is that they simply don't realize that MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control:

The most common reason U.S. women use oral contraceptive pills is to prevent pregnancy, but 14% of pill users—1.5 million women—rely on them exclusively for noncontraceptive purposes. The study documenting this finding, “Beyond Birth Control: The Overlooked Benefits of Oral Contraceptive Pills,” by Rachel K. Jones of the Guttmacher Institute, also found that more than half (58%) of all pill users rely on the method, at least in part, for purposes other than pregnancy prevention—meaning that only 42% use the pill exclusively for contraceptive reasons.

Whereas I'm not too sure there's any reason why - other than sex - that men take Viagra, which most health plans pay for with no problem.

"MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control" Lol, "at least in part"? What if you remove that silly qualifier?

Most people drink beer at least in part for reasons other than thirst. :roll:

No, most health plans don't "pay for Viagra no problem". :roll:

 

[Moot]

It's been my observation that it's mostly HS education only, unskilled women that work at Hobby Lobby. And a lot of them are likely to be single moms working to support a family and probably can't afford to support another child on Hobby Lobby wages.

 

[Summerwind]

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) expressed frustration on Friday that the White House had to accommodate the religious objections of for-profit companies in the first place, adding that she is working on a legislative fix to override the Supreme Court's ruling.

“Only a year has passed since five male justices told American women their health care decisions and benefits are their boss’s business," Murray said. "Already, we’ve seen employers across the country deny women access to health insurance benefits they have earned, and threaten a worker’s right to make their own autonomous decisions about everything from vaccinations to HIV treatment.

"In the 21st century, women should be able to make their own decisions about their own bodies—and no one should have to ask their boss for permission to get the health care they need. I’m committing to continuing to fight, along with the Administration and all my colleagues, to fix this Supreme Court-issued license to discriminate and protect the rights of women and families across our country.”

Holy ****, how stupid is she? Ask your boss for permission to get health care? WTF? No. Not even close. Healthcare benefits aren't your boss' business? Uh, yes they are. Your boss provides you with these benefits.

But as to the OP, not an important issue that the POTUS should be focusing on while the economy is in a shambles and our borders are pretty screwed up, but I do give him props for acknowledging that the HL ruling respects the religious beliefs of these people who have these businesses.

As soon as men have to ask permission from their bosses to fill ED prescriptions, perhaps, til then she's absolutely right that women and their sexual/reproductive healthcare can be micromanaged by their employers. If you choose to shove your head in .... the sand, shall we say, and choose to continue to type as someone ignorant about how that treats women as second class citizens, well that's on you.

 

[Henrin]

"MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control" Lol, "at least in part"? What if you remove that silly qualifier?

Most people drink beer at least in part for reasons other than thirst. :roll:

No, most health plans don't "pay for Viagra no problem". :roll:

I ignored the Viagra comparison because it's just a stupid non sequitur left over from the Hobby Lobby case.

 

[Henrin]

As soon as men have to ask permission from their bosses to fill ED prescriptions, perhaps, til then she's absolutely right that women and their sexual/reproductive healthcare can be micromanaged by their employers. If you choose to shove your head in .... the sand, shall we say, and choose to continue to type as someone ignorant about how that treats women as second class citizens, well that's on you.

Oh get over yourself. No one said you have to ask for permission. And this stupid non-sequitur should die in fire.

 

[Beaudreaux]

"MOST women who take birth control pills take them at least in part for reasons OTHER than birth control" Lol, "at least in part". What if you remove that silly qualifier?

Most people drink beer at least in part for reasons other than thirst. :roll:

No, most health plans don't "pay for Viagra no problem". :roll:

You're arguing the wrong argument and falling right into his argument, which makes you both wrong.

What he said about the benefits of certain type of birth control pills is correct... except for the analogy to Viagra which has nothing to do with anything other than hyperbole. Plus, the Hobby Lobby case had nothing to do with the pills that are prescribed for other medical reasons in addition to acting as a contraceptive. The case had to do with the federal government forcing a company to pay for pills that cause an abortion.

 

[tres borrachos]

As soon as men have to ask permission from their bosses to fill ED prescriptions, perhaps, til then she's absolutely right that women and their sexual/reproductive healthcare can be micromanaged by their employers. If you choose to shove your head in .... the sand, shall we say, and choose to continue to type as someone ignorant about how that treats women as second class citizens, well that's on you.

Women don't have to ask their bosses for permission to fill any prescription. That is a fallacy and everyone knows it.

I have never had to ask anyone of my bosses for permission to fill a prescription for anything in my life. My doctor prescribes medicine, not my boss.

 

[Beaudreaux]

As soon as men have to ask permission from their bosses to fill ED prescriptions, perhaps, til then she's absolutely right that women and their sexual/reproductive healthcare can be micromanaged by their employers. If you choose to shove your head in .... the sand, shall we say, and choose to continue to type as someone ignorant about how that treats women as second class citizens, well that's on you.

Give me a ****ing example of a woman being required to ask permission from their employer to fill a birth control prescription.

I'll wait.............................. Maybe you can look at this while you try to make something up: HIPAA