I undertand but it appears you dont understand your own posts.
. you are parroting CNNs "semantic dance".
That's pretty much my view on the matter. I don't condone the rioting or the looting, but I can definitely see how the current conditions led to it. Police departments in US cities have been getting away with killing civilians for decades. Normally, it's impossible to really make a case against a single incident because they can have as much as 10-15 years between them. However, when a single police department has paid millions within a 4 year span, and has over a 100 such incidents within that period, there is an obvious pattern. This is specially true if the city doesn't even reach the 1 million mark. I think that was Obama's mistake. Linking this to Ferguson. The situations simply aren't the same though there is ample evidence that the FPD also engaged in some of the same tactics. I guess what I am saying is that the issues should be viewed as separate but within a larger national pattern of police brutality.
Your liberal desperation is palpable and laughable...and honestly pathetic..
Nope, I perfectly understand my posts.
There is no semantics dance, Travis. CNN reported on Obama's exact words and they were that there was no excuse for rioting. Continuing to deny it just makes you look like you're not reading the articles. As I've mentioned before, if you're just going to parrot the words of the Gateway Pundit, may I suggest you go to a different thread? Maybe the one where non-mainstream media articles go.
The pattern is liberal failure in every big city..
you may want to get the memo
Travis, you are trying too hard to have an informed conversation without having the capability to do so. Please refrain from copying and pasting parts of my post to make you seem on par with me. It's embarrassing.
That's nice Travis. However, it's irrelevant to the subject at hand. May I suggest you go to a different thread if you wish to discuss the politics of Baltimore?
exact words.. but not all the words..
your attempts are pathetic
nope.. you brought it up..
That's pretty much my view on the matter. I don't condone the rioting or the looting, but I can definitely see how the current conditions led to it. Police departments in US cities have been getting away with killing civilians for decades. Normally, it's impossible to really make a case against a single incident because they can have as much as 10-15 years between them. However, when a single police department has paid millions within a 4 year span, and has over a 100 such incidents within that period, there is an obvious pattern. This is specially true if the city doesn't even reach the 1 million mark. I think that was Obama's mistake. Linking this to Ferguson. The situations simply aren't the same though there is ample evidence that the FPD also engaged in some of the same tactics. I guess what I am saying is that the issues should be viewed as separate but within a larger national pattern of police brutality.
Who can be upset with a statement condemning the rioting, and stating that it's counter productive and undermines the community? It should be condemned, it is counterproductive, and it does undermine the community. It's a true statement.
I dislike Obama as much as any other Status Quo Republocrat, but it's a true statement. Why has this already devolved into a partisan pissing contest?
Yes it is. You can deny it as much as you want, but it's still irrelevant to the issue, kind of like your parroting of talking points by the Gateway Pundit. This is a forum for people who think independently, Travis. Not people who simply copy and paste whatever they're being told to say.
Oh? I discussed the politics of Baltimore? Where? Post number, please.
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
so you arfe saying Obama is a moron as he links it all together..its all the same to Obama. and we see again Obama interjecting his "verdict" thats the pattern and Obama pattern of race hustling and anti police behavior
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
The problem is that it can't be point out that police brutality is an issue. It can't even be pointed out that we've seen these incidents before and they're nothing new. However, what REALLY hurt some feelings is that Obama had the audacity to refer to other issues in his speech. It's ODS at its finest.
You're trying too hard to have a discussion after parroting The Gateway Pundit's talking points. What I am saying is what I said and what you think I said are two different things. Mine is a well structured statement analyzing Obama's words from various perspectives. What you think I said are the rantings of a person who lets The Gateway Pundit tell them what to say. The difference is evident.
You mean like you do?
How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.
President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ
EXCERPTS:
Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.
The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.
And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.
Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
You mean like you do?
How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.
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Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
That is great that he is saying all that.But its the other things he says that basically inflame people to riot and loot.Obama: 'No excuse' for violence in Baltimore - CNNPolitics.com
Thought this was interesting. I guess it takes the wind out of the 'tacit approval' crowd.
Police brutality and abuse IS an issue. It's in fact the issue that sparked the riot. Not that the riot is justified, it's carried out by thugs and criminals waiting in the background for an excuse. The city provided the excuse with abuse of police power. Again, a true statement. If we want to fix the problems, we have to look at the problems and determine the factors which play into them. Then we address those factors. It's the only way things get better. Partisan bickering and finger pointing will only ensure that this remains a problem for some time to come.
You mean like you do?
How about what the President actually said, rather than what CNN told you he said? Perhaps you should read the Transcript of his comments, then you won't find yourself disqualifying yourself from your own OP. You know a forum for people who think independently, not just cut and paste.
President Obama’s Comments on Baltimore Violence — Video & Transcript - Washington Wire - WSJ
EXCERPTS:
Point number five — and I’ve got six, because this is important. Since Ferguson, and the task force that we put together, we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals — primarily African American, often poor — in ways that have raised troubling questions. And it comes up, it seems like, once a week now, or once every couple of weeks. And so I think it’s pretty understandable why the leaders of civil rights organizations but, more importantly, moms and dads across the country, might start saying this is a crisis. What I’d say is this has been a slow-rolling crisis. This has been going on for a long time. This is not new, and we shouldn’t pretend that it’s new.
The good news is, is that perhaps there’s some newfound awareness because of social media and video cameras and so forth that there are problems and challenges when it comes to how policing and our laws are applied in certain communities, and we have to pay attention to it and respond.
And without making any excuses for criminal activities that take place in these communities, what we also know is that if you have impoverished communities that have been stripped away of opportunity, where children are born into abject poverty; they’ve got parents — often because of substance-abuse problems or incarceration or lack of education themselves — can’t do right by their kids; if it’s more likely that those kids end up in jail or dead, than they go to college. In communities where there are no fathers who can provide guidance to young men; communities where there’s no investment, and manufacturing has been stripped away; and drugs have flooded the community, and the drug industry ends up being the primary employer for a whole lot of folks — in those environments, if we think that we’re just going to send the police to do the dirty work of containing the problems that arise there without as a nation and as a society saying what can we do to change those communities, to help lift up those communities and give those kids opportunity, then we’re not going to solve this problem.
Right Mr. President - So until ALL these things are once again politicized, and manipulated, and multiple platitudes are spoken, riots are an understandable outcome - of course we all understand you're not making any excuses for criminal activities Mr. President. BTW, why is it the vast majority videos shown only involve black people?
That is great that he is saying all that.But its the other things he says that basically inflame people to riot and loot.
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