Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

The Prof · Apr 12, 2011

substance, anyone?

yesterday:

Missouri’s Democratic attorney general broke with his party on Monday and urged a federal judge to invalidate the central provision of the new health care law.

Though Mr. Koster has been slow to weigh in, he did not mince words, arguing in the court brief that Congress had overstepped its authority by mandating that individuals buy health insurance, which he called “a substantial blow to federalism and personal freedom.”

“If Congress can force activity under the Commerce Clause, then it could force individuals to receive vaccinations or annual checkups, undergo mammogram or prostate exams or maintain a specific body mass,” he wrote.

He asked that the mandate be stripped from the law, and that the rest of it be allowed to remain in effect.

For Mr. Koster, who was elected in 2008, the decision to oppose his party on such a high-profile issue reflects the political challenges for Missouri Democrats in the coming election cycle.

Though this state has long been viewed as a political bellwether, the politics of the electorate have grown more conservative in recent years, and Barack Obama narrowly lost the state in 2008.

Mr. Koster, who is up for re-election next year along with the state’s two top Democrats, Gov. Jay Nixon and Senator Claire McCaskill, has already faced questions about his political loyalties.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/12/us/politics/12missouri.html?_r=1

the show me's, who are famous for picking presidents more accurately than any state in the nation, makes TWENTY SEVEN now presenting legal challenges to obamacare

last fall, missourians voted SEVENTY ONE PERCENT for measure c to kill THE MANDATE

without the mandate, obamacare's prime payfor collapses

are you listening, senator mccaskill?

how are you gonna vote when REPEAL lands on reid's expensive blue carpet, an up-or-down vote guaranteed by the senate leader as part of last friday's outline for october?

where will mr's tester and conrad and bingaman and webb and nelson and nelson and kohl and dorgan come down?

ms klobuchar, ms stabenow, ms cantwell...

the stand alone on hr2 is gonna cost the party in power the senate

ask anthony I WANNA WAIVER weiner

ricksfolly · Apr 12, 2011

ptif219 said:
No, you have to be. His comments ignore the mother and try to show we must not spend money on old people just give them a pain pill and wait for them to die because of the Obamacare death panels.

I can't believe that old Obama smear hasn't died yet. You're probably a birther and ethnic tilted too. Are you all all knee jerk reaction, or do you do your own thinking once in a while?

Fortunately, you're kind of political radicalism are only a 25 percent minority, and all the voters have already made up their minds, so no matter how hard you huff and puff, you can't make anyone change.

ricksfolly

Amazed · Apr 12, 2011

Too funny, again with the projection....I understand Boo, you can't read and comprehend the text.

Boo Radley said:
Posting it does nto mean you understand it. That's why I pointed out it doesn't reduce freedom. You have given no idication you understand what you posted. And apaprently you doubt yourself so much as to not even try to suggest what you think it means. :2wave: :coffepap

Boo Radley · Apr 13, 2011

Amazed said:
Too funny, again with the projection....I understand Boo, you can't read and comprehend the text.

I note that I answered and provided a fact check link. You? Nothing.

The Prof · Apr 13, 2011

you were wrong, i was right

i was right, you were wrong

LOL!

your attempts to make YOURSELFS relevant are pathetic

meanwhile, on substance:

today:

A new poll finds support for President Barack Obama's health care overhaul at its lowest level since passage last year. Worries about government deficits that keep rising because of health care costs appear to be driving the numbers.

The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health-insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent, while opposition stands at 45 percent, and another 17 percent are neutral. Among seniors, support has dipped below 30 percent for the first time.

Poll: Support for health care law drops to 35% - The Denver Post

obviously, increasing numbers of americans want obamacare to do MORE

like anthony I WANNA WAIVER weiner, who says new york city CAN'T AFFORD IT

they want SINGLE PAYER---like the "devastating" and "cruel" uk

that's why republicans were sent to washington in record numbers last november

party on, self important peeps

ptif219 · Apr 14, 2011

Boo Radley said:
No he doesn't. You simply misread, or diliberately try to make it somehting it isn't. I can help if you have problems with comprehension, but dishonesty is something you must face on your own. No honest, capable person believes what you're trying to pass off.

He did not avoid the issue, he spoke to it. No one has suggested affective, needed, procedures should eb withheld. He speaks to ineffective and not needed procedures. Only an idiot believes anything that cna be thrown out there is effective and needed.

You are giving Obama a pass. Where did he say which doctor was right in the mother's case. Where did he mention anything about the case presented? He avoided the issue and showed that old people may just have to take a pain pill and wait to die if that is what his death panel says

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

ptif219 said:
You are giving Obama a pass. Where did he say which doctor was right in the mother's case. Where did he mention anything about the case presented? He avoided the issue and showed that old people may just have to take a pain pill and wait to die if that is what his death panel says

No pass. He's not a doctor and not his place to say which doctor was right. He isn't in any way deciding what doctors do. What he did was talk about the real issue, was paying for effective measures over noneffective messures. There is, you understand, often a lot of research on the effectiveness of almost every procedure we do.

I know you are desperate to paint this false pisture, but it simply is not what you claim. Never was.

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

Boo Radley said:
He isn't in any way deciding what doctors do.

the single payer planners in the uk are

remember?

why did obama bring in berwick?

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

The Prof said:
the single payer planners in the uk are

remember?

why did obama bring in berwick?

Your claims are dubious at best, but meaningless as that isn't what we're talking about. :coffeepap

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

meaningless---LOL!

Surgeons say patients in some parts of England have spent months waiting in pain because of delayed operations or new restrictions on who qualifies for treatment. In several areas routine surgery was put on hold for months, while in many others new thresholds for hip and knee replacements have been introduced. The moves are part of the NHS drive to find £20bn efficiency savings by 2015. The government said performance should be measured by outcomes not numbers.

Surgeons have described the delays faced by patients as "devastating and cruel". Peter Kay, the president of the British Orthopaedic Association (BOA), says they've become increasingly frustrated that hip and knee replacements are being targeted as a way of finding savings. GPs were told not so send as many patients to hospital, maybe to delay referrals until the end of the financial year while perhaps introducing thresholds for surgery.

Overall, 692 surgeons in England sent the BBC information about the policy on hip and knee replacement of their local Primary Care Trust (PCT). Between them they covered the majority of PCTs in England. 106 surgeons told the BBC routine operations had been put on hold in their area. Others described new limits on when patients qualify for hip or knee replacements. 152 specialists said patients now have to be more disabled or in greater pain, and 118 told us hip and knee surgery had been regarded as a procedure of low priority.

A number of PCTs have been explicit about their decisions to put all routine operations on hold for several months up to April to help balance their budgets by the end of the financial year. They include Warrington, Sheffield, Eastern and Coastal Kent, Bury and Warwickshire. Alex Waring, a patient in Warwickshire, was told he was being referred for an urgent knee replacement in August of last year. Now he looks at that letter with bewilderment as more than seven months later he is still waiting for surgery. Mr Waring has already had one successful knee replacement and says he is in daily pain waiting for this second operation. "It's excruciating sometimes to put it mildly. And it affects you at the times when you're not expecting it. I get off my mobile scooter and nearly fall over because my knee is gone, the pain, you've to sit there until the pain just goes away."

Putting routine operations on hold means that GPs simply stop referring their patients for surgery. So although a patient might be waiting longer, this isn't recorded in the official waiting statistics. Another way of adding invisible waiting time into the system is to implement stricter new criteria which have the effect of delaying the point when a patient can be referred for treatment. An investigation by the BBC also found evidence in many PCT board papers of new thresholds being added for hip and knee replacements.

BBC News - Surgeons raise alarm over waiting

what "we're" talking about---LOL!

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

Again Prof, that has nothing to do with the discussion you interprupted. nor does you misreading of it. :coffeepap

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

months waiting in pain

delayed operations

new restrictions on who qualifies

you need to be more disabled or in greater pain

20 billion pounds beneath

routine operations put on hold to balance budgets

although a patient might be waiting longer this isn't recorded in the official waiting statistics, another way of adding invisible waiting time into the system

cruel and devastating

single payer

ouch

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

Prof. Brittian isn't the US or Obama. Nor has anyone even proposed their exact system. Please try to focus. We're talking about what Obama said or didn't say. :coffeepap

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

single payer---ouch

obamacare is a loser

ask anthony I WANNA WAIVER weiner

he was the top obamacare water carrier in the house

he's afraid NEW YORK CITY can't afford it

obamacare, that is

what "we're" talking about---LOL!

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

The conversation you interupted was about a single payer, but about what Obama said or didn't say.

Now, if you want a serious discussion ona single payer system, you have to do more than amke a link and imply it is the only single payer system, or that we don't wait now, to day, before reform here in the US.

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

Boo Radley said:
you have to do more than amke a link and imply it is the only single payer system, or that we don't wait now, to day, before reform here in the US.

LOL!

dept chair, huh?

obamacare's a loser---ask weiner

Boo Radley · Apr 15, 2011

The Prof said:
LOL!

dept chair, huh?

obamacare's a loser---ask weiner

Typical. You have nothing. :2wave:

The Prof · Apr 15, 2011

3/4 of a tril in new taxes:

Director's Blog » Blog Archive » Additional Information on CBO’s Preliminary Analysis of H.R. 2

half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

ER visits, costs in Mass. climb - The Boston Globe

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees:

Governors balk over what healthcare bill will cost states - The Boston Globe

americans on medicaid, the ghetto of health care, fare worse than their neighbors with no insurance:

ASA: ASA 130th Annual Meeting Abstracts - Primary Payer Status Affects Mortality For Major Surgical Operations

more than 1000 waivers asked for and granted by hhs:

Number of healthcare reform law waivers climbs above 1,000 - The Hill's Healthwatch

weiner wants one:

Anthony Weiner: Waiver might work for New York - Kate Nocera - POLITICO.com

ptif219 · Apr 16, 2011

Boo Radley said:
No pass. He's not a doctor and not his place to say which doctor was right. He isn't in any way deciding what doctors do. What he did was talk about the real issue, was paying for effective measures over noneffective messures. There is, you understand, often a lot of research on the effectiveness of almost every procedure we do.

I know you are desperate to paint this false pisture, but it simply is not what you claim. Never was.

He did a spin job and supported his death panels. By what he said the mother should be dead

The Prof · Apr 19, 2011

today, a few million more EXEMPTIONS

Obama administration eases pain of Medicare cuts - Yahoo! News

4 out of 5 medicare advantage enrollees

surprised?

why do so many want OUT?

why does sebelius keep LETTING EM GO?

Boo Radley · Apr 19, 2011

ptif219 said:
He did a spin job and supported his death panels. By what he said the mother should be dead

Did nothing of the kind. It would take either a complete lack of reading comprehension to see it that way, or a dishonest reading. He clearly did nothing of the kind.

The Prof · Apr 19, 2011

THAT's why so many want out?

and ms sebelius keeps letting em go?

obamacare must be really bad if weiner wants a waiver

y'know, for new york

still, it might not be as bad as uk's single payer

ptif219 · Apr 19, 2011

Boo Radley said:
Did nothing of the kind. It would take either a complete lack of reading comprehension to see it that way, or a dishonest reading. He clearly did nothing of the kind.

No you refuse to see the truth

Boo Radley · Apr 19, 2011

ptif219 said:
No you refuse to see the truth

No, I just read and comprehend better. :coffeepap

ptif219 · Apr 19, 2011

Boo Radley said:
No, I just read and comprehend better. :coffeepap

No you don't you use your partisan view that gives liberals a pass.

Obama Health-Care Reform Act Ruled Unconstitutional(edited)

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