Obama defends Iran deal

[rjay]

Full text: Obama gives a speech about the Iran nuclear deal - The Washington Post

President Obama presented arguments in support of the Iran nuclear deal today, during a speech at American University.

I listened to the speech and felt he addressed any reservation I may have had about this deal. There were some partisan attacks sprinkled through the speech. I think he could have made the same points without ridiculing the position of some of the deals opponents.

After the speech I tuned into FOX News to see what the responses would be. I was expecting to hear a rebuttal of some of the points made.
No one addressed the points made. Obama addressed the arguments of those opposed to the deal. No comment was made about these arguments, they were not addressed at all.

I will listen to the shows on FOX tonight, to see if any good opposing arguments are put forth.



One point that stands out to me was the fact that many opponents have stated they would go for a better deal.

One of the things that made this deal possible was the economic sanctions carried out by members of the International Community. Those that carried out the sanctions, often at great cost to their own economies, are fully supportive of this deal.

It would be very difficult to convince these countries to carry on sanctions when
1. The purpose of the sanctions was to get a deal and that was achieved.
2. The countries issuing the economic sanctions agree with the deal
3. It is the U.S. that ends up backing out of the deal.



If the U.S. ends up backing out it will be very difficult for them to convince other countries to work together on similar deals in the future.

From the artice below:

"While America wrangles, European countries, encouraged by a unanimous UN security council endorsement, are busily mending fences with Iran, keen not to miss out on potentially mouth-watering financial, trade and geopolitical dividends.

Although implementation of the deal is staggered, they are acting as though sanctions have already been lifted. They have not. But it seems increasingly plain that, even if Congress blocks Obama, it may be too late to rescue the international sanctions regime."

Sanctions against Iran crumble as America wrangles over the nuclear deal | World news | The Guardian

 

[Fenton]

He such a friken liar..

He said during the negotiations that the Grand Supreme Leader issued a " Fatwa " on Nuclear weapons.

Today he said if Congress doesn't ok this deal Iran will have Nuke in 6 months.

He's such a hack, desperate to carve out some semblance of a legacy that doesn't include economic incompetence and Foreign Policy disasters.

 

[Soho gator]

Very powerful speech and very persuasive.

 

[Samhain]

I really like the part where he equated Republicans with terrorists that shout "Death to America". Super classy.

It's those hardliners chanting "Death to America" who have been most opposed to the deal. They're making common cause with the Republican Caucus.

 

[WCH]

I really like the part where he equated Republicans with terrorists that shout "Death to America". Super classy.

Or the part where he describes himself as non-partisan. :shock:

 

[rjay]

Think what you will of Obama, Kerry, or any on the international negotiating team.

The fact is, there is a deal on the table. This is an International deal, it is not an American deal. What arguments would you put forth to members of the EU to keep them on side with International sanctions? If the U.S. proves to be unable to support their own negotiators it will become increasingly difficult for them to engage the international community.

 

[DA60]

I don't care what was in his speech...I don't listen to political speeches anymore from the major parties (now that Ron Paul has retired)...complete waste of time.

But no matter what his motives were, bravo to Obama for getting (sort of) something right.

This deal will actually help the Middle East AND America AND Israel (in the long run).

It is high time that Iran became part of the world again...or at least, started to become part of the world again.


Obama did squat for the economy..but he did good on Cuba and Iran, IMO.

 

[Samhain]

Obama admits some unfrozen Iran cash will fund terror - Yahoo News

President Barack Obama acknowledged Wednesday that Iran might use cash coming its way under sanctions relief to fund "terrorist organizations" but argued this is preferable to allowing it to develop nuclear arms.

"The truth is, that Iran has always found a way to fund these efforts," Obama said, in a speech to defend the Iran nuclear deal.

"And whatever benefit Iran may claim from sanctions relief pales in comparison to the danger it could pose with a nuclear weapon."

 

[JoeTrumps]

I don't care what was in his speech...I don't listen to political speeches anymore from the major parties (now that Ron Paul has retired)...complete waste of time.

But no matter what his motives were, bravo to Obama for getting (sort of) something right.

This deal will actually help the Middle East AND America AND Israel (in the long run).

It is high time that Iran became part of the world again...or at least, started to become part of the world again.


Obama did squat for the economy..but he did good on Cuba and Iran, IMO.

1. if you think people will be thanking Obama for the Iran deal in 10 years you are in Colorado smoking something
2. I love people who think they know more about Iran than Israel does. They LIVE THERE. you are on the other side of the planet. but YOU know better; and YOU know this deal will be good for them even if they don't. what pomposity.

 

[Hatuey]

He such a friken liar..

He said during the negotiations that the Grand Supreme Leader issued a " Fatwa " on Nuclear weapons.

Today he said if Congress doesn't ok this deal Iran will have Nuke in 6 months.

He's such a hack, desperate to carve out some semblance of a legacy that doesn't include economic incompetence and Foreign Policy disasters.

Yeah, who does that Obama think he is? Everyone knows that inconsistent threats of Iran getting the bomb are the domain of conservatives, christian fundies and Bibi. He should let them have their silly little argument.

 

[Hicup]

1. if you think people will be thanking Obama for the Iran deal in 10 years you are in Colorado smoking something
2. I love people who think they know more about Iran than Israel does. They LIVE THERE. you are on the other side of the planet. but YOU know better; and YOU know this deal will be good for them even if they don't. what pomposity.

Not to mention any of the Sunni nations that currently do not have nuke programs.. Obama was playing go fish, and the Iranians, Chess.

He's a complete moron, but the good news is this will not pass the congress, and even if he goes forward anyway (Again ignoring the constitution) the next US Prez will void it! I hope!


Tim-

 

[Hicup]

Yeah, who does that Obama think he is? Everyone knows that inconsistent threats of Iran getting the bomb are the domain of conservatives, christian fundies and Bibi. He should let them have their silly little argument.

Yeah tell that to the 50,000 US and Allied troops that have been posted to South Korea for the last 60 years.. Why are they there anyway? Silly little troops


Jesus the ignorance on the left is astounding!

Tim-

 

[Hatuey]

Yeah tell that to the 50,000 US and Allied troops that have been posted to South Korea for the last 60 years... Why are they there anyway? Silly little troops

You do know North Korea has had nuclear weapons for... 6 years right? And posting 50K troops at the DMZ has done absolutely nothing to stop that from happening. Right?

Jesus the ignorance on the left is astounding!

Tim-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

On October 9, 2006, North Korea announced it had successfully conducted its first nuclear test. An underground explosion was detected, its yield was estimated as less than a kiloton, and some radioactive output was detected.[6][7][8]

On January 6, 2007, the North Korean government further confirmed that it had nuclear weapons.[9]

In April 2009, reports surfaced that North Korea has become a "fully fledged nuclear power", an opinion shared by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Mohamed ElBaradei.[10] On May 25, 2009, North Korea conducted a second nuclear test, resulting in an explosion estimated to be between 2 and 7 kilotons.[11] The 2009 test, like the 2006 test, is believed to have occurred at Mantapsan, Kilju County, in the north-eastern part of North Korea.[12]

On February 11, 2013, the U.S. Geological Survey detected a magnitude 5.1 seismic disturbance,[13] reported to be a third underground nuclear test.[14] North Korea has officially reported it as a successful nuclear test with a lighter warhead that delivers more force than before, but has not revealed the exact yield. Multiple South Korean sources estimate the yield at 6–9 kilotons, while the German Federal Institute for Geosciences and Natural Resources estimates the yield at 40 kilotons.[15][16][17]

 

[Chomsky]

1. if you think people will be thanking Obama for the Iran deal in 10 years you are in Colorado smoking something
2. I love people who think they know more about Iran than Israel does. They LIVE THERE. you are on the other side of the planet. but YOU know better; and YOU know this deal will be good for them even if they don't. what pomposity.

*bolded relevant text

Yes, but these are sovereign nations (The U.S. & Israel)), each having their own interests - Israel's interests are not necessarily ours.

We will deal with Iran in our own way, just as they do. If there's any commonalty, it's by accident - not design.

 

[Hicup]

You do know North Korea has had nuclear weapons for... 6 years right? And posting 50K troops at the DMZ has done absolutely nothing to stop that from happening. Right?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

I said nothing about why we had troops there, but the main point is that they are a rogue, unpredictable nation.. Hence the need for military power!~ The one glaring point you fail to observe though is that China did have nukes, and they are good buds with N. Korea.. And we had weak kneed leaders not willing to engage them when we should have, and like we should do now with Iran!

Or, we could continue to leverage our economic power to keep sanctions on Iran via our allies and of course China and Russia. No one was going to pull out of sanctions if we threatened them with economic sanctions of their own. Unlike most nations in Europe, we are self-sustaining economy (Or could be) if we wanted too.

Tim-

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I said nothing about why we had troops there, but the main point is that they are a rogue, unpredictable nation.. Hence the need for military power!~ The one glaring point you fail to observe though is that China did have nukes, and they are good buds with N. Korea.. And we had weak kneed leaders not willing to engage them when we should have, and like we should do now with Iran!

Or, we could continue to leverage our economic power to keep sanctions on Iran via our allies and of course China and Russia. No one was going to pull out of sanctions if we threatened them with economic sanctions of their own. Unlike most nations in Europe, we are self-sustaining economy (Or could be) if we wanted too.

Tim-

Are you really suggesting that the United States threaten other countries with sanctions in order to keep the pressure on iran?

 

[JoeTrumps]

*bolded relevant text

Yes, but these are sovereign nations (The U.S. & Israel)), each having their own interests - Israel's interests are not necessarily ours.

We will deal with Iran in our own way, just as they do. If there's any commonalty, it's by accident - not design.

It's not even about how WE see Israel. It's how their enemies see them: as a U.S. representative in their own land. They symbolize the Great Satan. Don't you see that? THAT is more than enough "commonality" for me to beg for their protection.

and name me a U.S. President more suspicious and standoff-ish towards Israel than Obama has been. All of this works in Iran's favor, which means it's BAD for us.

 

[Soho gator]

It's not even about how WE see Israel. It's how their enemies see them: as a U.S. representative in their own land. They symbolize the Great Satan. Don't you see that? THAT is more than enough "commonality" for me to beg for their protection.

and name me a U.S. President more suspicious and standoff-ish towards Israel than Obama has been. All of this works in Iran's favor, which means it's BAD for us.

can't think of one, It's refreshing and about time.

 

[Hatuey]

I said nothing about why we had troops there, but the main point is that they are a rogue, unpredictable nation.

Rogue seems a tad hyperbolic seeing as they seem to be interested in doing business with many nations outside of the US.

. Hence the need for military power!~ The one glaring point you fail to observe though is that China did have nukes, and they are good buds with N. Korea.. And we had weak kneed leaders not willing to engage them when we should have, and like we should do now with Iran!

Mmkay, and? I doubt China is looking to start a nuclear war. It's bad for business.

Or, we could continue to leverage our economic power to keep sanctions on Iran via our allies and of course China and Russia. No one was going to pull out of sanctions if we threatened them with economic sanctions of their own. Unlike most nations in Europe, we are self-sustaining economy (Or could be) if we wanted too.

Tim-

Sorry, I'm not down with silly bully tactics like the ones you're proposing. :shrug:

 

[Hicup]

Are you really suggesting that the United States threaten other countries with sanctions in order to keep the pressure on iran?

Yes, we have the economic leverage, and that's what good leadership does, they use it!

Tim-

 

[JoeTrumps]

can't think of one, It's refreshing and about time.

oh yes. friends with our enemies and enemies with our tightest allies. great leadership all around I'd say.

 

[Hicup]

Rogue seems a tad hyperbolic seeing as they seem to be interested in doing business with many nations outside of the US.



Mmkay, and? I doubt China is looking to start a nuclear war. It's bad for business.



Sorry, I'm not down with silly bully tactics like the ones you're proposing. :shrug:

People like you and Obama, and progressive liberals really think if the US just pulls away from being the world super power that everything will all fall into place. That IS moronic.. I can't even begin to explain it to you, you're too far gone bruh..

Tim-

 

[Chomsky]

It's not even about how WE see Israel. It's how their enemies see them: as a U.S. representative in their own land. They symbolize the Great Satan. Don't you see that? THAT is more than enough "commonality" for me to beg for their protection.

and name me a U.S. President more suspicious and standoff-ish towards Israel than Obama has been. All of this works in Iran's favor, which means it's BAD for us.

The way I see it, we're stuck with Israel.

They may be strategically important to our interests in the region, but sometimes I don't know if they're worth the troubles they cause:

- From the very get-go of their nation they did a land-grab, setting the tone & alienation towards them even further back - something that festers until today.

- They refuse to join the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, thumbing their noses at us.

- They refuse to implement (or even acknowledge) a two-state solution, again thumbing their nose at us (and the entire region).

So like I said, "They have their interests, and we have ours". I just wish our interests weren't so intertwined with theirs.

 

[DA60]

They way I see it, we're stuck with Israel.

They may be strategically important to our interests in the region, but sometimes I don't know if they're worth the troubles they cause:

- From the very get-go of their nation they did a land-grab, setting the tone & alienation towards them even further back - something that festers until today.

- They refuse to join the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, thumbing their noses at us.

- They refuse to implement (or even acknowledge) a two-state solution, again thumbing their nose at us (and the entire region).

So like I said, "They have their interests, and we have ours". I just wish our interests weren't so intertwined with theirs.

Very well said, IMO.

Now that the Cold War is over, I think Israel is far more trouble for America then she is worth.

It is obvious that since 1991, Israel needs America a TON more then America needs Israel.

 

[Hatuey]

People like you and Obama, and progressive liberals really think if the US just pulls away from being the world super power that everything will all fall into place. That IS moronic.. I can't even begin to explain it to you, you're too far gone bruh..

Tim-

Lol, mkay. Keep your White Man's Burden complex for somebody interested in listening?