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Well I don't know maybe someone like Jim Demint saying that if they don't kill reform that it will hurt republican chances in 2010. That its been made political. Really I don't know where he gets the idea they want to kill reform.
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So what? If the Reps can't stop anything, what's Obama's bitch?Well I don't know maybe someone like Jim Demint saying that if they don't kill reform that it will hurt republican chances in 2010. That its been made political. Really I don't know where he gets the idea they want to kill reform.
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My spelling before coffee! :mrgreen:
I really don't believe anything anybody says about costs of anything.
All I'm saying is the president is nuts thinking this is the republicans fault. He's just incredibly bad at explaining things and of meeting people half way.
So? What are they suppose to do, roll over and play dead now for four years? I don't remember the Dems doing that after 1994. I don't remember the Dems doing that when Bush won twice. So what is your point? Compromise to the Democrats is Republicans giving in.Drink more coffee. I'm not seeing what your complaint is. So you're not willing to believe anyone on anything. So where do you get that people are complaining that seniors are taking too much money or immigrants are taking up too much of our healthcare?
Halfway? There is no halfway. The republicans seem to forget they lost the election. Look what happened on the stimulus they brought the stimulus spending down, had him throw in a bunch of tax cuts and only a few voted for it. What's the point of negotiating if the other side won't even vote for a bill after you give them what they want?
Compromise is both sides giving not one side throwing a temper tantrum to get what they want and then not voting for the bill. If the republicans want some things in the bill they need to give a little.
If the President thinks that choice and competition is what's most important, why aren't democrats even considering allowing purchasing insurance across state-lines?
You're right they can't stop it if the dems choose the budget reconcilliation process. However if they try the normal route the dems simply do not have enough dems to defeat a filabuster. Johnson isn't reliable because of his health situation. Lieberman is an independent who can't be counted on. Most I see them getting is 59 if all the dems and Sanders votes their way.
Thanks for nobody quoting this middle paragraph. What a disgrace!:doh
So? What are they suppose to do, roll over and play dead now for four years? I don't remember the Dems doing that after 1994. I don't remember the Dems doing that when Bush won twice. So what is your point? Compromise to the Democrats is Republicans giving in.
So did the Dems in 2000 2002 2004.Halfway? There is no halfway.
The republicans seem to forget they lost the election.
Comprimise is giving someone something they -can- vote for.Compromise is both sides giving...
So did the Dems in 2000 2002 2004.
Did they roll over and give GWB everything he wanted?
Comprimise is giving someone something they -can- vote for.
Why would a Repubkican, as a Republican, vote for this bill?
It goes against the principle of smaller government.No as has been shown with this president Compromise is giving a little for the other side as was done with the stimulus bill and thus far is being done with this bill with them trying to take out the public option. Thus far the republicans have shown no desire to compromise. Again what is the point of the democrats giving in when the republicans refuse to vote for a bill even after their changes are made? What exactly do they stand to gain?
I'll take your answer, please.Are you asking this question with a straight face?
There's more to it than what was put into the bill -- there's also what is taken out, or in this case, not taken out. You cannot expect the GOP to vote for something that they cannot, as the GOP, vote for, even if you include some things they WILL vote for.So if the republicans wont vote for a bill even with their own provisions added why should the democrats even try to compromise.
Where was this principle of smaller government when patriot act 1 and 2 were passed when the department of homeland security was created? Was it conveniently misplaced did they store it in one of al gore's social security "lockboxes"It goes against the principle of smaller government.
I'll take your answer, please.
There's more to it than what was put into the bill -- there's also what is taken out, or in this case, not taken out. You cannot expect the GOP to vote for something that they cannot, as the GOP, vote for, even if you include some things they WILL vote for.
Off the top of my head the bush tax cuts which were rammed through with the budget reconciliation process. So in other words theres no sense of compromising the republicans only want their bill passed regardless of what the democrats put in for them or take out. Demint made it quite clear they dont want health reform to pass just as they didnt back in the 90s because it would hurt the republican party
Irrelevant to the point.Off the top of my head the bush tax cuts which were rammed through with the budget reconciliation process.
I then asked:[the dems lost] in 2000 2002 2004.
Did the Dems roll over and give GWB the tax cuts?Did they roll over and give GWB everything he wanted?
You really need to stop creating strawmen by putting words in my mouth.So in other words...
....So Republicans aren't trying to block the Health Care bill?
"I believe that we will have enough votes to pass not just any health care bill, but a good health care bill that helps the American people, reduces costs, actually over the long-term controls our deficit. I'm confident that we've got that,"
Obama says:
So how is there even a problem?
Obama says:
So how is there even a problem?
All of which is based on the lie that the GOP wants to kill reform."I believe that we will have enough votes to pass not just any health care bill, but a good health care bill that helps the American people, reduces costs, actually over the long-term controls our deficit. I'm confident that we've got that," Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes. "There are those in the Republican party who think the best thing to do is just to kill reform. That that will be good politics."
Off the top of my head the bush tax cuts which were rammed through with the budget reconciliation process. So in other words theres no sense of compromising the republicans only want their bill passed regardless of what the democrats put in for them or take out. Demint made it quite clear they dont want health reform to pass just as they didnt back in the 90s because it would hurt the republican party
Reconciliation was used by the Republicans for Bush tax cuts in '01 and '03
extending capital gains and dividends tax cuts in '05, spending cuts in '05
and they argued for using it for opening up ANWR to drilling in '05, but I don't remember what happened with that bill.
Which isn't really outside the realm its meant to be for
---- > IA
Which isn't really outside the realm its meant to be for
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Which seems to be stretching the realm it was meant for, much like using it for health care reform, that i'd have greatly opposed and disagreed with if they used it for it.
-----> IA, b/c drilling in ANWR isn't spending or taxes
BENNET: We just had Bill Kristol on. He said he’s got real doubts that [Obama] will be able to pull [health care reform] off. Bottom line, Do you think they can?
FRIST: Nah, I think Bill’s wrong. I think they’ll pull it off. … You can drive things through a fifty vote threshold, instead of that sixty vote threshold. And you don’t do it maybe one out of a thousand bills do you do it on. But it’s legal, it’s ethical, you can do it. And it has been suggested and accepted by the administration, pretty directly that if it came down to it, they’re going to drive this thing through a fifty-vote door. And if they do that…they can pass whatever they want to. I hope that they don’t do that.
Think Progress Frist On Using Reconciliation Process To Pass Health Care Reform: ‘It’s Legal, It’s Ethical’
Irrelevant to the point.
I said:
I then asked:
Did the Dems roll over and give GWB the tax cuts?
Did the GOP argue that 'we won, give us what we want'?
You really need to stop creating strawmen by putting words in my mouth.
The issue here is comprimise.
You're arguing that the Dems have tried to comprimise by adding some things the GOP wants included -- and as far as that goes, you have some degree of credibility. What you fail to recognize, willfully or otherwise, is that, in order for the GOP, being the GOP, to support the bill, the bill has to NOT have things in it that the GOP CANNOT support. When the Dems start talking about the removal of those things, then the issue of comprimise and the GOPs supposed unwiliingness to do so, will be open for discussion.
That is, you cannot expect a party to vote for something that goes against its core political positions; you then cannot refuse to address the difference in that position and argue that you tried to comprimise because you added a few things that said party might like.
And, if they succeed, we will be forever better for it.So, yes, the Republicans are trying to block health care just like they did last time.
Translation:You would keep more money in your own pockets by paying taxes for your health care rather than paying so called free market companies. It's just a fact.
The basic idea that the government exists to protect yrou rights, not provide you the means to exercise them?Why Republicans and Blue Dawgs want us to waste our money on paying more for less quality care is beyond me
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Glad to see you "politicizing" Health Care reform by stating positively BS spin like that. Make some more stuff up, its fun.
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