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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Thursday condemned those who seek to use religion as a rationale for carrying out violence around the world, declaring that "no god condones terror."
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"Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," Obama said. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150205/us--obama-prayer_breakfast-f3b989dcc5.html
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!
There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
You really don't see the problem with excusing what is going on today with ISIS, to that of events of 500 and 800 years ago? Really?
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!
There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
That's not what he did. He wasn't excusing the actions of ISIS at all. He was saying the actions of ISIS are not a reflection of a religion and to not erroneously associate the two. As an example, and to keep Americans from climbing up their high horse, he simply reminded us our past is full of evil acts committed in the name of religion, that were not religious at all.You really don't see the problem with excusing what is going on today with ISIS, to that of events of 500 and 800 years ago? Really?
I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!
There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
Mornin JMac. :2wave: Here is what Jonah Goldberg has to say about this.....oh and he takes BO peep to task. He needs to be more vocal and keep the Highlight on the BO's incompetence.
“We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious, death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism, terrorizing religious minorities like the Yazidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.”
How is it a false narrative? Because it's not what you want to believe? Or because it's not your religion?
I'd be interested as well to see how many of the liberals/democrats seemingly agreeing with Obama's reasoning are also ones who like to get on their "high horse" about racist elements
I searched two pages of the BN forum, and couldn't find this story anywhere, and my apologies if it was already posted...But, come on folks....Give me a damned break! :doh This would be like Churchill during WWII telling us that although the Nazi's were bad, that maybe they were justified for what the Moore's did centuries earlier....It's a load of crap!
There is no equivalency....It's a false narrative that once again leads some to believe that Obama protects, and runs cover for terrorists.
While I can very much understand the view that Obama has been incompetent on some things, I don't agree with the author's assertion at all that we have a right to sit on a high horse and judge. That is the very thing that people like OBL do. They go out and kill people in the name of God, while at the same time violating religious principles by such murder. That is not to say that we should not say that what ISIS and other terrorists do is wrong, and Obama did indeed condemn ISIS in his speech
But this stuff of saying that God told me to go fight terrorists in Afghanistan is way over the line, and Obama's assertion that we could do things like kill OBL because we are one nation under God is dangerous. That is indeed a high horse that we have no right whatsoever to climb upon, and anyone who thinks that we do is simply wrong.
Mornin' Steel. :2wave: He was trying to equate that with Christianity. He just forgot that the Christians had a reformation. When Islam has theirs then they to can sit in the Saddle too.
Until then.....Islam best do what they need to. In order to take back their religion.
Hi MMC!!! As always a pleasure.
Although I hear what you are saying, we should also recognize that although there was a reformation, there are still people who profess to be Christians killing people in the name of God. Recall Jim Jones. I'm telling you that everyone of us needs to be very careful about using religion for our on selfish ends. There is quite a bit of it in the world today. That is a big problem and sometimes it is very difficult to see it. I have personally seen some very intelligent people make very big mistakes in this way. Again, we don't need to be jumping on that high horse. Jesus could do that, but he could also tolerate being crucified and feeling no malice toward the perpetrators. Are we that qualified? If not, we really don't need to be on that high horse.
Presidents are forever asking gods blessings on our troops. If I put together a a tape end to end of presidents proclaiming "god bless our troops" as they are sent into battle, you would be listening for a very long time!!! There's little difference in the blessings of Allah proclaimed upon the "enemies" we've been fighting.
I think it's one thing to say God bless our troops. But when you start talking about killing people and saying that God told you to do it, or that he have the right to do it because we are one nation under God, that is a very, very big problem.
Obama wasn't lambasting Christians, nor was he calling them hypocrites. What Obama was saying is we should not allow certain people or groups to "[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]hijack religion for their own murderous ends". Obama's point is very clearly that the actions of ISIS do NOT represent the religion of Islam, no more than the actions of the Ku Klux Klan represent the religion of Christianity. Obama's point is that people have done evil acts in the name of religion all throughout history, and no religion can claim to be free of such associations.Because it's a contextually shallow narrative.
Christianity's use in the Crusades was not significantly different than some of its contemporaries, nor were the actions of the Crusades markedly outside of the cultural norms of what would be considered the developed world at that time. While that in no way excuses the violence that occured or the attrocities committed, the reality is that one must look at it at least in part within the context of the time it occured.
This is not the case with regards to ISIS. Their methods and actions are significantly outside the cultural norms of the developed world. Their aggressive attempts to conquerer areas of land and claim them for their own, specifically in the name of their religion, is not in line with rather common actions of other nations/groups in this age.
While it's accurate to suggest violence has occured in the name of other religions in the past, attempting to equate radical islam of today to christanity of the crusades as a means of suggesting people should not criticize it by getting on their "high horse", without any defference given to the contextual realities between the two situations, is ridiculous.
Who was, the Ku Klux Klan? Segregation laws was fighting Muslims who decided to take over someone else's stuff?Funny how they were fighting Muslims that decided to take over someone else's stuff then too. Seems to be a recurring issue..
You really don't see the problem with excusing what is going on today with ISIS, to that of events of 500 and 800 years ago? Really?
In fact, George Bush declared that god directed his foreign policy. Can I say hypocrisy!!!
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