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Obama Chooses Old Politics Over Improved Policies

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The Associated Press is reporting that the message President Obama wants to convey in his upcoming State of the Union Address is "Yes, I get it." This in response to the repeated message sent by voters in recent New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts elections not to mention the dismal poll numbers for Mr. Obama's proposed policies and plummeting his job approval rating. But actions speak louder than words and while his speech writers diligently work on a way to make it sound like the president is listening to the American people, David Plouffe will be taking on an expanded role as an outside adviser to the White House, according to sources familiar with the plan.
Who is David Plouffe? He is the political strategist who managed Candidate Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. He is the man who, after Mr. Obama was inaugurated, penned The Audacity to Win, a memoir of that campaign in which the author admitted to secretly conspiring with John Edwards's aides to corner Hillary Clinton into a fateful pledge to avoid Florida and Michigan - states that scheduled early primaries in violation of Democratic party wishes and whose delegates she essentially had to forsake after winning big in those states. Plouffe also reveals how he successfully talked New York Times political writer Adam Nagourney into altering how the paper counted primary delegates - replacing a method favorable to Clinton with one favorable to Obama.

So now, after the worst week of his administration so far, when he has lost his rubber stamp in the Senate, when his signature domestic issue has died on the operating room table, when the American people have clearly and loudly rejected his politics and his policies and while he is supposedly trying to convey that he "gets it"; what is President Obama doing?

Well, he's not giving up on his vastly unpopular version of health care reform. He's not abandoning his business-as-the enemy stance which has helped to keep the unemployment rate in double digits. He's not rescinding the non-stimulating stimulus package nor retreating from his push for a second one. He's not reaching across the aisle to find bi-partisan solutions to the nation's problems in the post-partisan way he promised during the campaign. No, he's bringing back the man that successfully packaged the empty promises, foolish platitudes and blatant lies of that campaign

In addition to Mr. Plouffe, Mr. Obama is also sending several top operatives from the campaign across the country to advise Democratic candidates as part of his attempt to take greater control over the midterm elections. According to Senior White House Adviser David Axelrod, "We are going to evaluate what we need to do to get timely intelligence and early warnings so we don't face situations like we did in Massachusetts." Exactly what kind of situations would that be, Mr. Axelrod? The situations wherein the people vote for a candidate who shares their positions on the issues? I can certainly understand why you wouldn't want to face that again.

And so President Obama continues to choose old politics over improved policy in an attempt to fool the voters a second time. Thankfully it seems the American people won't fall for this particular con game again.
 
While I see and agree with a lot of what you are saying, I don't think it's a resistance from old policies. He's not choosing these obviously stupid policies because he refuses to get in with the "new". :)

He has more people to serve than just the American people. Not to mention an ever expanding military industrial complex to run.
 
So now, after the worst week of his administration so far, when he has lost his rubber stamp in the Senate, when his signature domestic issue has died on the operating room table, when the American people have clearly and loudly rejected his politics and his policies and while he is supposedly trying to convey that he "gets it"; what is President Obama doing?

Um... I don't know what polls you're reading or if you even understand that it was a state special elections with many factors not related to Obama -- but you appear to be a hyper-partisan blowing this out of proportion.

Let the man speak before you start putting words in his mouth.

What a concept,eh...
 
Um... I don't know what polls you're reading or if you even understand that it was a state special elections with many factors not related to Obama -- but you appear to be a hyper-partisan blowing this out of proportion.

Let the man speak before you start putting words in his mouth.

What a concept,eh...

Populist rhetoric is what's coming out of his mouth. And hyper-partisan? Hardly... Democrats are speaking out now or are they also hyper-partisan in your opinion as well...
 
Um... I don't know what polls you're reading or if you even understand that it was a state special elections with many factors not related to Obama -- but you appear to be a hyper-partisan blowing this out of proportion.

Let the man speak before you start putting words in his mouth.

What a concept,eh...

I'm reading the polls that say the majority of the American people oppose Obamacare and Obama's general handling of the economy. And saying those who disagree with you are too dumb to understand is just parroting the president's spin. (see Oh We Get It, Mr. President)
 
Um... I don't know what polls you're reading or if you even understand that it was a state special elections with many factors not related to Obama -- but you appear to be a hyper-partisan blowing this out of proportion.

I think you should read the OP again. She never said the elections rejected him, but his policies. So technically you are right, the MA and VA and NJ special elections had many factors not absolutely linked to Obama. Such as the healthcare bill, the stimulus plan, government power and taxes on the middle class. The OP is merely trying to make the point that, as it so happens, many of those policies have a disconnect between Obama's execution and what the country wants.
 
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Um... I don't know what polls you're reading or if you even understand that it was a state special elections with many factors not related to Obama -- but you appear to be a hyper-partisan blowing this out of proportion.

Let the man speak before you start putting words in his mouth.

What a concept,eh...

Actually liberals in denial is what this is all about. The following tells it the best and remember it is the message not the messenger.

Charles Krauthammer : The Meaning of Brown - Townhall.com
 
I think you should read the OP again. She never said the elections rejected him, but his policies. So technically you are right, the MA and VA and NJ had many factors not absolutely linked to Obama. Such as the healthcare bill, the stimulus plan, government power and taxes on the middle class.

Barack Obama has no one to blame for the problems in this country today other than himself. He is always in campaign mode however showing zero leadership skills as he blames everyone else for his own failures. I don't know if his arrogance and lack of leadership skills will ever allow him to admit the obvious, his policies are out of touch with the majority in this country as that same majority bought the rhetoric and ignored the resume.

Barack Obama had a super majority in the Senate and a huge majority in the House yet couldn't get his agenda passed. He still blames Bush and the last 8 years. Facts always confuse his supporters who want badly to believe the rhetoric.
 
Barack Obama has no one to blame for the problems in this country today other than himself. He is always in campaign mode however showing zero leadership skills as he blames everyone else for his own failures. I don't know if his arrogance and lack of leadership skills will ever allow him to admit the obvious, his policies are out of touch with the majority in this country as that same majority bought the rhetoric and ignored the resume.

Barack Obama had a super majority in the Senate and a huge majority in the House yet couldn't get his agenda passed. He still blames Bush and the last 8 years. Facts always confuse his supporters who want badly to believe the rhetoric.

It will be interesting to see how the president plays out the next nine months. He and the democrats got a break this week. They got to see that the public is really willing to vote them out if they do not change.

It only cost the dems one senate vote in a special election. They could have learned this lesson in November and really lost a bunch of seats in both houses.
 
so this makes how many President's in a row that refuse to A) publicly acknowledge real problems and B) use the same policy repeatedly expecting different results and C) resort to all sorts of spin hoping to convince a bunch of gullible people?

I would think we are into double digits here, all in a row too.
 
It will be interesting to see how the president plays out the next nine months. He and the democrats got a break this week. They got to see that the public is really willing to vote them out if they do not change.

It only cost the dems one senate vote in a special election. They could have learned this lesson in November and really lost a bunch of seats in both houses.

yes, we shall see just how arrogant he really is. His initial reaction to the Brown win was to claim that the attitude of the voters in the Brown election was the same as it was that put him into office. That is arrogance. What elected Brown was his stance against Obama policies, not GW Bush.

Then Obama goes out and demonizes the banks and Wall Street trying to play the populist role when again he had the power to do something about the banks and Wall Street when he had a filibuster proof Senate but didn't.

I don't think this guy has the ability to change from who he really is, an empty suit, community organizer with zero leadership skills. He only knows how to campaign placing blame on everyone else but himself. I do hope I am wrong.
 
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