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A different time? It was 6 years ago. What you really meant is "that was a different President."
That was a different time. Why is it so difficult to understand?
Do you mean like Obama will just say anything too?
(2) Based on his new rhetorical framing device, Obama himself voted for American "deadbeat" status as a freshman Senator in 2006. And I quote:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
Republicans have been calling for a restoration of normal order for years. It's Democrats in the Senate who have refused to even introduce a budget for nearly four years, leading to one countdown cliff after another. If the president truly wants this appalling ad hoc governance to end, he ought to have a terse conversation with Harry Reid and Patty Murray, not lecture Republicans
Obama is now resurrecting these revenues (which caused liberals some convenient amnesia just a few weeks ago). Republicans should hold firm that these potential revenues -- which would come through closing loopholes and eliminating deductions -- will only be placed back on the table if they're part of a broader tax reform package that includes lowering rates across the board. It's also worth mentioning that Congress and the president authorized a $2.1 trillion debt ceiling hike just 17 months ago. We've already blown through all of it, but playing a little political hardball to stem the insanity is somehow the height of irresponsibility. It's going to be a long four weeks years
UPDATE - Right on cue, the White House has informed the House Budget Committee that the president will not produce his FY 2014 budget on time. Obama has missed 80 percent of his statutory budget deadlines......snip~
Obama: "We Are Not a Deadbeat Nation" - Guy Benson
there was nothing about doing anything unconstitutional (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters)
The quote was contained in the very post you quoted, in which a Republican House Chairwoman stated that a shutdown of the federal government is on the table as a viable strategy.
Nope, a shutdown of the federal government would render us unable to fulfill a portion of our debt obligations.
That was a different time. Why is it so difficult to understand?
Yeah and that's not what you stated as evidenced.....
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Maybe because he didn't say anything like that (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters).....snip~
Anytime Presidents what to start throwing EP round domestically always needs to be watched.
A different time? It was 6 years ago. What you really meant is "that was a different President."
Who said that? Obama wants to reduce the deficit further with budget cuts and revenue from tax reform. That has nothing to do with paying the bills though.
Sorry most of us knows what the 2nd amendment means (except the anti-2nd amendment facist totalitarian left wingers). So we arent falling for your crapthere was nothing about doing anything unconstitutional (except in the minds of 2nd amend bed-wetters)
Did the Democarats hold Bush hostage by refusing to raise the limit if he didn't cut the budget? No. End of discussion.
There is nothing wrong with a symbolic gesture as long as the leadership is sure to have enough votes to raise the limit. That is not the case now. It's a different time.
So during this time it's NOT a sign that the U.S. Government can't pay it's own bills? This time it's NOT a sign we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries? Increasing our debt won't weaken us domestically and internationally this time? Leadership no longer means "the buck stops here"? This time it wouldn't be shifting the burden of the choice onto the backs of our children and grand children?
What of those things would not apply this time if you felt they applied in 2006...and specifically, why?
From the articleActually, Democrats have threatened to hold the debt limit hostage | WashingtonExaminer.com
I'm always amazed at how partisanship seems to affect memory.
In the end, the commission didn’t happen, Congress voted to raise the debt ceiling, and all the Democratic senators except Bayh went along
Actually, Democrats have threatened to hold the debt limit hostage | WashingtonExaminer.com
I'm always amazed at how partisanship seems to affect memory.
Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh agreed. “There are rare moments of leverage in this institution where you can implement fundamental change,” he said. “This is one of those moments, we must seize it.”
What is different is the threat of default, a dangerous game that puts the entire worlds economy in jeopardy and will increase what we owe.
There was NO threat of default because Obama said that Bush's deficits were horrible, Which they were.
If you can't see that that is different, then you are blind.
From the article
From the article
If some House Republicans want to make a symbolic gesture like Obama did as Senator that is OK with me. Just as long as there are enough votes to pass the measure as happened when Obama voted no.
Republicans only call for deficit reduction when they are not in power. All Republican administrations have increased the deficit and the debt. In fact $12 trillion of our current debt is from GOP leadership.
President Clinton is the only modern President to balance the budget although our debt did go up from the interest on Reagans contribution.
Now, because many of the targeted programs - such as Unemployment Insurance and Medicaid - are paying out more benefits as the economic downturn creates more demand for these benefits, the total number paid out in improper payments increased to $125 billion last fiscal year even though the overall error rate declined. This is an unfortunate result of the recession and of basic math: the more that is paid out, the more paid out in error even if the overall rate declines.
That was a different time. Why is it so difficult to understand?
Do you honestly believe the debt ceiling will not get raised? REALLY?
No, I believe that the republicans will fold yet again
But I might be underestimating the stupidity of republicans. That's not hard to do
Exactly. They tried and failed to do exactly what people are claiming "only" Republicans do.
Those decisions would ultimately lie with the Treasury. Ultimately, once key assets were likely auctioned off, debt obligations that exceed immediate tax revenue would go unfulfilled absent a increase in debt authority.Please, what portion of the debt obligations would that make us unable to fulfill?
No, I believe that the republicans will fold yet again
But I might be underestimating the stupidity of republicans. That's not hard to do
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