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NYT: We Were Badly Misled About the Event That Changed Our Lives (2 Viewers)

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Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.

 
Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.


This happened during Trump's leadership, amirite?
 
The author points out that those who speculated that the virus came from lab leaks were considered to be "kooks and cranks," but goes on to affirm that some, in fact, were. And now they have a dangerous legitimacy that is apt to make things worse, not better.

"It’s not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate might have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren’t just earnestly making inquiries; they were acting in terrible faith, using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate, beneficial science, to inflame public opinion, to get attention. For scientists and public health officials, circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy.

That’s also why it might be tempting for those officials or the organizations they represent to avoid looking too closely at mistakes they made, at the ways that, while trying to do such a hard job, they might have withheld relevant information and even misled the public. Such self-scrutiny is especially uncomfortable now, as an unvaccinated child has died of measles and anti-vaccine nonsense is being pumped out by the top of the federal government. But a clumsy, misguided effort like this didn’t just fail; it backfired. These half-truths and strategic deceptions made it easier for people with the worst motives to appear trustworthy while discrediting important institutions where many earnestly labor in the public interest."
 
This happened during Trump's leadership, amirite?
Most of the deaths happened during Biden's leadership.

In fact, just Biden's first year killed more people than Trump's entire term.

But Trump could have, and should have, done better. For sure.
 
The author points out that those who speculated that the virus came from lab leaks were considered to be "kooks and cranks," but goes on to affirm that some, in fact, were. And now they have a dangerous legitimacy that is apt to make things worse, not better.

"It’s not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate might have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren’t just earnestly making inquiries; they were acting in terrible faith, using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate, beneficial science, to inflame public opinion, to get attention. For scientists and public health officials, circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy.

That’s also why it might be tempting for those officials or the organizations they represent to avoid looking too closely at mistakes they made, at the ways that, while trying to do such a hard job, they might have withheld relevant information and even misled the public. Such self-scrutiny is especially uncomfortable now, as an unvaccinated child has died of measles and anti-vaccine nonsense is being pumped out by the top of the federal government. But a clumsy, misguided effort like this didn’t just fail; it backfired. These half-truths and strategic deceptions made it easier for people with the worst motives to appear trustworthy while discrediting important institutions where many earnestly labor in the public interest."
You seem more concerned with those people than the people in power that lied to us.
 
The author adds, in the comments section of the article:

"The fact that such risky research is still being incentivized via prestigious publications is exactly why we can’t just ignore all this, however difficult it may be to have this conversation. The price for a mishap — so easily possible under such lax biosafety standards — would be paid for by the entire planet.

Nuclear scientists had to grapple with the horrific, destructive potential of the growing power of their discipline. The same applies to risky virology research — which is but a tiny part of the field."
 
Most of the deaths happened during Biden's leadership.

In fact, just Biden's first year killed more people than Trump's entire term.

But Trump could have, and should have, done better. For sure.


Once Biden came into office, the die was cast. Unless you can point to a policy of his that made it worse.
 
Most of the deaths happened during Biden's leadership.

In fact, just Biden's first year killed more people than Trump's entire term.

But Trump could have, and should have, done better. For sure.
Before Biden was sworn in COVID 19 killed more Americans than WW2.
 
Once Biden came into office, the die was cast. Unless you can point to a policy of his that made it worse.
For sure Trump left the door open.
Biden just opened it wider, and didn't take steps that slowed the number of horses escaping.

Neither is good, for sure.
 
An opinion piece from the NYT. Not factual.
Agree. This is pulled up again by MAGA for some political reason - as cover. And they are using opinion pieces as support.

Recent reports on this topic are saying a lab leak is possible. Same for saying it wasn't a lab leak.

ETA... All this drama resurrection is increasingly making me wonder if something bad health wise is on its way.
 
Trump voters died at 3 times the rate of everyone else. Why?
Because Biden wanted to punish them?

He certainly refused to send aid to states that didn't vote for him.

Or maybe because they lived in New York and Gov. Cuomo fed them hydroxycholoquine fish tank cleaner?

Or maybe they just trusted that Biden had things under control and "the worst days were behind us." Or whatever.

Hard to tell with those people, isn't it?
 
Agree. This is pulled up again by MAGA for some political reason - as cover. And they are using opinion pieces as support.

Recent reports on this topic are saying a lab leak is possible. Same for saying it wasn't a lab leak.
I'm pretty certain this poster first saw this on the FOX news website. It's his go-to for links.

 
Another lunatic fringe thread.
 
Before Biden was sworn in COVID 19 killed more Americans than WW2.
Yikes!

And it killed even more after he was sworn in?

Yikes. Imagine if we had a president like we did in WWII, who took things seriously and took some of the measures that worked back then.
 
I'm pretty certain this poster first saw this on the FOX news website. It's his go-to for links.

You can't even lie good. I rarely have posted any Fox News links and I don't watch or read Fox News.
 
Since scientists began playing around with dangerous pathogens in laboratories, the world has experienced four or five pandemics, depending on how you count. One of them, the 1977 Russian flu, was almost certainly sparked by a research mishap. Some Western scientists quickly suspected the odd virus had resided in a lab freezer for a couple of decades, but they kept mostly quiet for fear of ruffling feathers.

Yet in 2020, when people started speculating that a laboratory accident might have been the spark that started the Covid-19 pandemic, they were treated like kooks and cranks. Many public health officials and prominent scientists dismissed the idea as a conspiracy theory, insisting that the virus had emerged from animals in a seafood market in Wuhan, China. And when a nonprofit called EcoHealth Alliance lost a grant because it was planning to conduct risky research into bat viruses with the Wuhan Institute of Virology — research that, if conducted with lax safety standards, could have resulted in a dangerous pathogen leaking out into the world — no fewer than 77 Nobel laureates and 31 scientific societies lined up to defend the organization.

So the Wuhan research was totally safe, and the pandemic was definitely caused by natural transmission — it certainly seemed like consensus.

We have since learned, however, that to promote the appearance of consensus, some officials and scientists hid or understated crucial facts, misled at least one reporter, orchestrated campaigns of supposedly independent voices and even compared notes about how to hide their communications in order to keep the public from hearing the whole story. And as for that Wuhan laboratory’s research, the details that have since emerged show that safety precautions might have been terrifyingly lax.

Now they tell us, but most of us knew pretty quickly they were lying to us. People in power who lied to us need to be held responsible.


On that basis, I assume you would suggest that Trump is lined up and executed??
Most of the deaths happened during Biden's leadership.

In fact, just Biden's first year killed more people than Trump's entire term.

But Trump could have, and should have, done better. For sure.
Trump started his term with zero covid deaths and grew the death rate to 1000's dying per week. Biden inherited Trumps 1000's death rate and reduced it to tiny numbers.

Trump caused all his covid deaths in just 10 months. Biden was over 4 years.

You see how completely senseless your statements are?
 
Once Biden came into office, the die was cast. Unless you can point to a policy of his that made it worse.

And all the deaths due to unvaccinated people can certainly be laid at MAGA's door.
 

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