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NYC serial shoplifter arrested 101 times, and is always let go.

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We aren't very good at rehabilitation, that's for sure. I wonder how we compare to other industrialized nations on that?
 
She obviously has mental issues. We need state run mental asylums. Like that creepy old Camarillo Hospital nut house.
 
Ginger Ale said:
We aren't very good at rehabilitation, that's for sure. I wonder how we compare to other industrialized nations on that?
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They don’t have a failed diversity experiment in those ‘other countries’
 
PoS said:
nypost.com

101 damnations: Meet the NYC shoplifter with 101 arrests — and let go almost every time

The career crook who the NYPD calls the city’s “Recidivist No. 1” is an ex-con who apparently didn’t learn much behind bars.
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I support the three strikes law for scumbuckets like this. Lock him up and throw away the key.
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So you want folks who don't do a very good job of serial shoplifting to spend the rest of their lives in prison?

How many prisons are you willing to foot the bill for to house all of these shoplifters?

At least you didn't say to execute them, like I have heard others say in the past, so I guess that is a plus.
 
LouC said:
So you want folks who don't do a very good job of serial shoplifting to spend the rest of their lives in prison?

How many prisons are you willing to foot the bill for to house all of these shoplifters?

At least you didn't say to execute them, like I have heard others say in the past, so I guess that is a plus.
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So youre okay with just letting them go every time? :rolleyes:
 
Can't blame the criminal. Blame the lenient judge

I just want to point out though that his crimes were petit larcency which is the lowest level of larceny and a misdemeanor.
He probably knows this law so well he makes sure he keeps the thefts to below $1000

Considering though he has been arrested so many times, he should serve time and fined. Ridiculous
 
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LouC said:
So you want folks who don't do a very good job of serial shoplifting to spend the rest of their lives in prison?

How many prisons are you willing to foot the bill for to house all of these shoplifters?

At least you didn't say to execute them, like I have heard others say in the past, so I guess that is a plus.
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You would only need to make an unpleasant example of a handful of shoplifters and the numbers of shoplifters would go down substantially. By your 3rd offense you should go to prison for at least 3 or 4 years
 
According to the article his mom likes him.

So there is that.

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EMNofSeattle said:
You would only need to make an unpleasant example of a handful of shoplifters
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You obviously have no love or respect for the American Justice system.
You show that by rejecting justice and jumping into evil making "unpleasant example" of a random few to impose your supposed "legal" vigilantism on the rest!
EMNofSeattle said:
and the numbers of shoplifters would go down substantially.
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You have absolutely ZERO proof any such thing would happen.
EMNofSeattle said:
By your 3rd offense you should go to prison for at least 3 or 4 years
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See, you want to put people in prison for 4 years based only on a "3rd offense." You just stream right on by trials, convictions and go straight to "lock em up" for 4 years.
I do love the idea though that you believe granny's kleptomania should be answered by 4 years in prison, rather than, you know, some mental health help.
 
VySky said:
They don’t have a failed diversity experiment in those ‘other countries’
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Canada is one of the most diverse countries in the world and we dont have anywhere near the crime problem you have. 'Diversity experiment' has nothing to do with it.
Just curious, which particular 'diversity' do you blame?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
You would only need to make an unpleasant example of a handful of shoplifters and the numbers of shoplifters would go down substantially. By your 3rd offense you should go to prison for at least 3 or 4 years
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You're already the most incarcerated nation in the world. Might be time to wonder if there isnt another approach.
 
Grand Mal said:
You're already the most incarcerated nation in the world. Might be time to wonder if there isnt another approach.
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Clearly not enough criminals are in prison since the crime is still too high.

There is nothing wrong with being the “most incarcerated” nation in the world anyway. As long as everyone in prison received due process it’s not a moral question.

There is some options around this, for example Saudi Arabia used to (although they may still, MBS has changed a lot of laws recently and I don’t know if dismemberment is still a punishment) to use cutting off hands as a punishment for theivery, this may reduce rates of shoplifting, but there’s some practical reasons not to do this like making people cripples creates a problem where they have to become wards of the state, more effective would be corporal punishment like Singapore, or immunity from criminal prosecution for the rightful owner or his employees or agents to beat up shoplifters, but I prefer the Singapore option. Beat their ass with a cane and if that fails to correct their behavior three or four times then prison for a few years.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Clearly not enough criminals are in prison since the crime is still too high.

There is nothing wrong with being the “most incarcerated” nation in the world anyway. As long as everyone in prison received due process it’s not a moral question.

There is some options around this, for example Saudi Arabia used to (although they may still, MBS has changed a lot of laws recently and I don’t know if dismemberment is still a punishment) to use cutting off hands as a punishment for theivery, this may reduce rates of shoplifting, but there’s some practical reasons not to do this like making people cripples creates a problem where they have to become wards of the state, more effective would be corporal punishment like Singapore, or immunity from criminal prosecution for the rightful owner or his employees or agents to beat up shoplifters, but I prefer the Singapore option. Beat their ass with a cane and if that fails to correct their behavior three or four times then prison for a few years.
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Being the most incarcerated nation in the world, like I said, is more a testimony of our culture than overbearing law enforcement.
 
LouC said:
You obviously have no love or respect for the American Justice system.
You show that by rejecting justice and jumping into evil making "unpleasant example" of a random few to impose your supposed "legal" vigilantism on the rest!

You have absolutely ZERO proof any such thing would happen.

See, you want to put people in prison for 4 years based only on a "3rd offense." You just stream right on by trials, convictions and go straight to "lock em up" for 4 years.
I do love the idea though that you believe granny's kleptomania should be answered by 4 years in prison, rather than, you know, some mental health help.
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Yeah I don’t believe there actually is such a thing as kleptomania. That’s pathologizing wrong behavior if I’ve ever heard it.
 
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LouC said:
After they have served their full sentence.

Yes.

That is how it should be.
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Tell that to the DA since he wont even charge the perp and just lets him go without any bail even.

pragmatic said:
Hey, lighten up.

Nobody's perfect.

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You love shoplifters. We get it.

Grand Mal said:
You're already the most incarcerated nation in the world. Might be time to wonder if there isnt another approach.
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Most of that is because of the drug war, which I am against.

NOVA66 said:
Politicians get by with it so why not others.
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So youre okay with stores being robbed of everything they have? Well, thats you. :unsure:
 
PoS said:
Tell that to the DA since he wont even charge the perp and just lets him go without any bail even.
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Does he, really, which DA is that, by name?

Why is the DA doing that, don't give us your partisan biased bemoaning, but tell us the specific technical reason why this might be happening.
 
Some people are just thieves. According to the LP chief, and a retired BPD detective, of my last big in-house retail gig, that's about 5 - 7% of any given industrial society. Curiously, he did not have an LE perspective about what to do ('locking them up is not worth the cost'). He thought they'd be better managed with license to steal: from the kind of people it was in the common interest to deprive of their loot.

Even more curious than all that, though, is the haste with which some people stumble over themselves to blame culture, or insufficient possession of the so-called right culture.

Seems...confessional.
 
RetiredUSN said:
10 career criminals alone in New York City committed nearly 500 crimes and some of them are still on the street.

You couldn't imagine shit like this to write a five dollar fiction novel. :ROFLMAO:

nypost.com

Exclusive | 10 career criminals racked up nearly 500 arrests since NY bail reform began

Stunning statistics compiled by the NYPD show that the city’s alleged “worst of the worst” repeat offenders have been busted a total of 485 times.
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You know what you are not telling us from that NYP article?

Do you?
 
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