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NYC launches congestion pricing

TheDoctorWasIn said:
Those who live near the LIRR, MetroNorth or PATH do, I'm sure.
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Yeah, one of my best friends has to go to Manhattan once a month or so for work - she takes a couple trains from South Jersey to get there. And then walks (unless it is nasty weather and then she'll take a car service the final distance from the subway).

That's pretty standard.
 
OrphanSlug said:
London did this, to varying degrees of fiasco.
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I've been there. Their public transport system is the best that I've seen, and it's very affordable.
 
Helix said:
I've been there. Their public transport system is the best that I've seen, and it's very affordable.
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I did not say anything about their transportation system, I was speaking about congestion tax.
 
OrphanSlug said:
I did not say anything about their transportation system, I was speaking about congestion tax.
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They probably needed it so that the busses wouldn't be stuck in gridlock all day. When we road the bus, traffic flowed pretty normally.
 
Helix said:
They probably needed it so that the busses wouldn't be stuck in gridlock all day. When we road the bus, traffic flowed pretty normally.
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Well, I think they needed to do something as we are talking about one of the older, poorly laid out, and congested cities in the world. Too many vehicles, not enough space, not enough means to move them around, so encourage public transportation and discourage use of personally owned passenger vehicles.

I get the connection of course, my comments were on the "fiasco" result.

Unpaid congestion fees, the exchange of less passenger cars but more busses and trucks (diesel - arguably worse pollution,) how it was applied to EVs then subsequent debate on exclusions which is contrary to less vehicles in the city, increasing fees over the course of time, etc.

Just seems to be a moving target and the only answer is... tax more and hope it solves itself.
 
BirdinHand said:
Anyone who would opt to not visit NYC over a $10-20 toll wasn't going to be spending much money in NYC to start with. Especially considering you're probably going to pay multiples of that to park a car in the city vs. taking a train into the city to start with.

Take a train or take a car service (if you won't take a train). Save yourself the headache. LOL.
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I agree. I do wonder what will happen though to people who have to commute daily in their car (no way I'd do that) whether for work or for deliveries, etc. You could see many of those people and those businesses change jobs and change routes. I guess we will see. I'll take Long Island problems over NYC problems.
 
LongIslandGirl said:
I agree. I do wonder what will happen though to people who have to commute daily in their car (no way I'd do that) whether for work or for deliveries, etc. You could see many of those people and those businesses change jobs and change routes. I guess we will see. I'll take Long Island problems over NYC problems.
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I'm sure that for deliveries, etc. the change in cost will simply become a small trickle down fee. We are talking like $10-20 per vehicle, so it isn't a significant amount of $$$ (unless I'm missing where there's a significant fee for a particular class of vehicles)
 
BirdinHand said:
I'm sure that commuters take the subways also.

A monthly parking spot in Manhattan is stupid expensive.
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You'd have to be clincally insane to drive into central London every day for work.
Everyone takes the train into the city and that includes MP's as I remember one of the expenses scandals was about an MP only using first class rail tickets.

Sitting in traffic like that every day would send you round the bend.
 
BirdinHand said:
I'm sure that for deliveries, etc. the change in cost will simply become a small trickle down fee. We are talking like $10-20 per vehicle, so it isn't a significant amount of $$$ (unless I'm missing where there's a significant fee for a particular class of vehicles)
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One of the reasons electric vans have become popular in the UK is because all delivery companies in london have changed to electric to avoid the charges.
 
Peter said:
You'd have to be clincally insane to drive into central London every day for work.
Everyone takes the train into the city and that includes MP's as I remember one of the expenses scandals was about an MP only using first class rail tickets.

Sitting in traffic like that every day would send you round the bend.
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I don't even drive into Philadelphia proper if I don't have to - but rather take the train from NJ.

Public transportation in major metro areas just makes life easier when compared to trying to drive.
 
trouble13 said:
It's not a car friendly city and people are encouraged to use mass transit. Ask anyone who lives there. It's not a slight It's just a matter of practicality. There's no room there. It's 8M people on an island.
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Uh .... no. It's only 1.65 million on the isle of NY, NY. Eight million is the total population of all five boroughs.
 
trouble13 said:
My comment was not limited to Manhatten.
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??? But congestion pricing, the topic of his OP, is limited to Manhattan - and you said, "8 M people on an island." There's plenty of room in the outer boroughs. In fact, parts of Queens, Kings, and Richmond Counties are suburban, and The Bronx is not even on an island - so your post made no sense.
 
MamboDervish said:
??? But congestion pricing, the topic of his OP, is limited to Manhattan - and you said, "8 M people on an island." There's plenty of room in the outer boroughs. In fact, parts of Queens, Kings, and Richmond Counties are suburban, and The Bronx is not even on an island - so your post made no sense.
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Whatever...

Have it your way. I was wrong and you are right. Congestion pricing has nothing to do with what I said. 🫡
 
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