- Joined
- Aug 17, 2005
- Messages
- 20,915
- Reaction score
- 546
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Very Conservative
Different reasoning...Trajan Octavian Titus said:The NSA scandal demands the impeachment of any senator or representative who leaked the classified information to the New York Times and any reporter who refuses to disclose their source for the story.
The Hillary Plame case has set the precedent that leaking classified CIA information demands indictments not only of those who leaked the story but of those who refuse to disclose where they got the information from ie Judah Miller. And unlike the outting of a non-covert agent this leak has put American lives in danger and hurt the war on terror.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:The NSA scandal demands the impeachment of any senator or representative who leaked the classified information to the New York Times and any reporter who refuses to disclose their source for the story.
The Hillary Plame case has set the precedent that leaking classified CIA information demands indictments not only of those who leaked the story but of those who refuse to disclose where they got the information from ie Judah Miller. And unlike the outting of a non-covert agent this leak has put American lives in danger and hurt the war on terror.
aps said:Trajan, you're cute when you're defending the Prez. What I heard is that the intelligence community leaked the information to the New York Times. I can't even remember where I heard that--either George Stephanopoulis (which is probably misspelled), Chris Matthews, or Tim Russert.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Hay ooaa those are some great unbiased sources. :roll:
FinnMacCool said:Those who leaked this should be honored, regardless of whether it was illegal or not. They've done us a great service by revealing to us how ****ed up the administration is in terms of invasion of privacy. Sometimes, things like this have to be done for the good of the nation.
Ya I think we should honor Scooter Libby too for outting that lying bitch Valrie Plame and her treachorous lying husband Joe Wilson.
FinnMacCool said:Scooter Libby was working for Bush.
These guys were working for truth.
Theres a difference.
No Libby was working for the truth that Joe Wilson is a partisan stooge of the Democratic party, these guys were working to undermine the war on terror and bring down the president for the Democrats by leaking classified information designed to protect U.S. citizens. Libby exposed the truth, the senators who leaked the info exposed an effective technique for fighting terrorism and have endangered the lives of American citizens.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:The NSA scandal demands the impeachment of any senator or representative who leaked the classified information to the New York Times and any reporter who refuses to disclose their source for the story.
The Hillary Plame case has set the precedent that leaking classified CIA information demands indictments not only of those who leaked the story but of those who refuse to disclose where they got the information from ie Judah Miller. And unlike the outting of a non-covert agent this leak has put American lives in danger and hurt the war on terror.
FinnMacCool said:Partisan this, partisan that.
Is that the only thing you have to offer here?
How is it possible for Libby to work for truth by telling lies?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Libby didn't lie about Plame that's a fact and the thing they are trying to get him on is lying to federal prosecutors about where he got the info from he says he got it from a journalist named Woodrow, and now Woodrow has stated that he did in fact give Libby the info so Libby is going to be totally exonerated.
TimmyBoy said:I believe a case can be made where Bush's authorization of NSA spying is unconstitutional and violates the fourth amendment. He undertook this spying without any court approval which constitutes an unreasonable search and seizure under the constitution of the United States. You and your buddy cnredd, seem to think that the president should be a King. I thought you guys were patriots and believed in the principles of founding fathers who fought against King George of England. But I guess you guys would have been loyalists back in the days of the American Revolutionary War rather than the patriots who fought against the rule of England.
Deegan said:Even if he's not, the president will pardon him, as he should.
AlbqOwl said:I don't believe Bush will pardon anybody who is guilty of a crime. I do believe he might pardon somebody who is railroaded on made up accusations.
So far as the NSA scandal goes, those who are demanding Bush's head on a platter better be prepared to see indictments and full prosecution of every living president and a whole bunch of people in their administrations if they are going to be fair and impartial on this one. Every administration has done this and far worse, and I doubt you'll see much come of it just because there are no clean hands anywhere.
Is spying justified to protect the American public? I think sometimes it is. That's why we have spies.
Is it possible that an American is evil and has evil purposes in mind? Yes. It is possible.
Is 'leaking' this information a bad thing to do? The terrorists certainly don't think so.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Libby didn't lie about Plame that's a fact and the thing they are trying to get him on is lying to federal prosecutors about where he got the info from he says he got it from a journalist named Woodrow, and now Woodrow has stated that he did in fact give Libby the info so Libby is going to be totally exonerated.
TimmyBoy said:You know, what amazes me about you is that you never question authority. You simply just blindly obey, believe that America NEVER does anything wrong and that President is always right and would NEVER abuse his power. I find your unwillingness to question authority out of line with the Founding Fathers and unpatriotic. I remember what you said to me in the past, I don't forget. You talked to me as if I didn't know anything, as if my experiences with the government lying and covering up things while I was in the military was untrue and as if we just simply believe and trust everything the government does and says. Well, I am here to tell you that everything I said was 100% true and that their is nothing unpatriotic about questioning authority and refusing to go along with the government or the crowd. This country wouldn't be the great country it is today without people who refused to go along with the crowd and who decided to be their own man and to be their own person and to think for themselves. That is in line with the founding fathers of this nation and it is in line with true patriotism. Not this fake BS patriotism that doesn't come from the heart that I have seen in alot of people who just repeat government slogans and blindly obey unquestionably.
AlbqOwl said:While I don't at all accept your characterizatons of what I believe or what I have said, I would simply point out that this would not be the great country it is today without people with vision and optimism and a willingness to be part of the solution rather than those who see nothing but bad, evil, corruption, doom and gloom. I prefer to be a part of the first group. How about you?
TimmyBoy said:I consider myself optomistic, otherwise I wouldn't have never been able to get a decent education and decent job. But I do like to tell things the way it is when the times and circumstances demand brutal honesty. Generally, I don't like to be brutally honest all the time, because it can be offensive to people. But their are times when one has no choice but to be brutually honest because of the stakes involved. I see Bush's methods as a direct threat to the principles of this nation. If Bush could have his way, he would have CIA opertatives exempt from being prosecuted for torturing detainees or to having a continuance of the Patriot Act. This Act is the most unpatriotic act I have ever seen and it is an insult to even name it "Patriot." In order to find solutions, you have to have an honest assessment, especially when the stakes are so high.
AlbqOwl said:While I don't at all accept your characterizatons of what I believe or what I have said, I would simply point out that this would not be the great country it is today without people with vision and optimism and a willingness to be part of the solution rather than those who see nothing but bad, evil, corruption, doom and gloom. I prefer to be a part of the first group. How about you?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?