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NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths


Well the OP was based on the organization and the leader of the NRA...not at all the members. If hating the NRA makes me a bigot, so be it. I guess we all are a little bigoted towards one thing or another.
 



Meh. I knew people, male and female, who carried at college when I was attending, even though it wasn't strictly legal.


None of them ever shot anyone by accident, or in a drunken rage.


Colorado has permitted it for a while now. No incidents to my knowledge.



Said it before: if the large majority of our young adults in University are using the experience to get brain-dead drunk, take stupefying amounts of drugs, and have sex with lots of people they barely know... then something is wrong with our University situation to START with.
 

You seem to have a penchant for leaping to conclusions. Concealed-carry on Colorado hasn't been a disaster. My guess is that this is because the people who are licensed to carry are responsible adults who were issued a permit after a background check and etc. They aren't going to be 18-year olds.
 
Excellent point. The vast majority of mass murders occur in "gun free zones", such as most schools and college campi are.

But in reality,there are really no such things as "gun free zones" since America is not a gun free zone. Its on the verge of being an oxymoron.

Look - if some asshole opens fire in a school or church or any other so called gun free zone and somebody is packing and blows him away - the person should get a medal and a parade for heavens sake. But I do not think its too much to ask that we ask people not to bring guns in certain places.

I remember a couple of years ago my wife and I went to Memphis and we did Beale St and all the bars had prominent signs saying no guns were allowed. Probably a wise decision.
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Do we really need an incident to happen before we acknowledge a potential threat? College now is much different then when I attended a large university and lived in a dorm. I am not sure if you remember the Michigan Murders, a serial killer who terrorized Eastern Michigan University in the late 60's. I attended in the early 80's and we had a couple of girls murdered in the woods, similar to what happened then. Never once did anyone suggest that girls should carry guns to protect themselves....we attended awareness classes and self defense..such as using the buddy system when walking around campus and a curfew was imposed for awhile. It worked.

As far as rape...we are seeing a different kind of rape...these girls are either drugged or they drank too much and perhaps sent out the wrong message. Education is needed on how to prevent these situations from happening. You can't get drunk and make out and grind against another girl all night and expect the guy to think your a saint when sitting in their lap. LOL. This doesn't make date rape right, but it can be prevented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_murders
 
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You are blanket smearing young people here. I know plenty of young nurses, are they too immature for nursing? 23 year olds fought WW2, I think they can handle a gun. And there are older students as well. I think you are picturing the sorority house from Revenge of the Nerds, in general, colleges aren't like that these days.

As for drinking, its already illegal to drink and carry, and I know 40 years olds where you could say the same.

Its not impossible to purchase machine guns, they just have to have been manufactured before 1986.
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Another day another gun massacre. Hey ho . As long as the guns are safe what else matters :roll:
 

I was part of a fraternity in college!! I was a Little Sister of Theta Chi and have attended more frat parties than most ever have. Nursing and carrying a lethal weapon are two different animals. You are not comparing apples to oranges...not even close. Nurses have 2-4 years to learn their skills, compared to walking into Walmart, purchasing a gun before you even know how to load it. I think you are broad brushing that all people have the common sense to own a gun.
 

Yes, there are many non-traditional college students these days, and these include returned vets. The students and staff who are licensed to carry aren't going to be a problem, I don't think.
 

Do you recognize that these two assertions are at odds with each other? That the latter, if obeyed, prevents the former?
 


Thank you... I firmly agree with you that some "behavior modification" is in order for some (many?) of our university young folks... for some reason when I suggest this I get blasted as a male chauvinist pig...

But I am of the opinion that responsible 21yo+ college students with CCW should not be barred from carrying on campus. It has been done in a number of places successfully.
 

Well, the frat-daddies who party are a different student population, generally, than those likely to hold concealed-carry permits. :roll:
 

You should'nt be blasted as a pig because you have an opinion from experience. Who would do that? Men can speak their thoughts about rape. I am a college Professor and in control of my classroom...I don't want guns in the classroom...do I have a safety right to demand that? Right now, I do not teach where guns are allowed...signs are posted and so far...no incidences. I have been teaching in college since 1999. It could easily be said, no incidences no guns...just like the Colorado argument.
 
Well, the frat-daddies who party are a different student population, generally, than those likely to hold concealed-carry permits. :roll:

You don't know that for sure...that is quite an assumption. Frat guys are the macho type as well. Gun owners come in all shapes and sizes.
 
Tell it to my pastor. He packs too.

Along with most of the Deacons and several ushers and probably a few more...

You ever hear the story of Jesus and the money changers at the temple?

There are certain activities that are inappropriate in Gods house...bringing weapons would fall in to that
 
Letting someone murder a bunch of your fellow church members is far more disrespectful, IMO.


Do I really even have to SAY this after what happened in Charleston? and that isn't the first time it's happened.

Then hire an armed guard to stand outside the church. Don't defame a holy place by bringing in tools of death. I can't believe I even have to say this.

Would you let your daughter wear a miniskirt or would you let your son wear Bermuda shorts to church? Some things just aren't appropriate in a holy place
 

Yes..for thousands of dollars..some in mint condition, the price of a small car!! Can you purchase a 2015 model?
 
I never stated you did - I stated you ( the USA)has a gun problem.
Well some things are regulated, and others are not.
Do you favor no gun laws?
 
In August Texas will join Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah and Wisconsin in allowing concealed-carry on campus. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/03/us/texas-lawmakers-approve-bill-allowing-guns-on-campus.html?_r=0

Well now that is impressive. Why don't we change the age to 16 for gun ownership and allow them to carry in the high schools? After all, some of them are pretty good hunters by then. This is not going to help a thing...the more that do it raises the risk. This is absurd.
 
You don't know that for sure...that is quite an assumption. Frat guys are the macho type as well. Gun owners come in all shapes and sizes.

Gosh, I did not know that. :roll:

Actually, I'm pretty confident that by many years and many students, I have more knowledge and experience with college students and their environment than anyone else here at DP. This is what I mean about your leaping to conclusions.

Because I posted "My decision to own a gun affects only me...," you assumed that I am a gun owner, one you found disturbing because I'm a blowhard paranoid. I don't own a gun. Now you're going to spout inane generalizations about macho frat daddies and how gun owners come in all shapes and sizes because you've had a couple of nurse gigs on a college campus? Spare me. Oh, and don't patronizingly call me "hon" either.

Please. Just don't.
 
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