formerroadie
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Agreed. For Profit care is a stupid idea.
The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance). No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage. Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care and I feel it's indicative of the fact that the U.S. system is no longer centered around providing care (if it ever was in the first place).
thats some of it, but the supply side is also artificially constrained by regulation.
As it should be.The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance).
Interesting. I've never had a claim or coverage denied.No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage.
Your premise that these hassles exist to any significant degree is unsupported.Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care
As it should be.
Interesting. I've never had a claim or coverage denied.
I've had a multitude of procedures, I've had kids, I've had PT - none denied.
Nor do I know anyone that has.
Can you explain that?
Your premise that these hassles exist to any significant degree is unsupported.
I am questioning the veracity of your claim.So what are you trying to claim here, that since you have not been denied...YET, that everything is fine?
Just as appealing to the intelligent side of a liberal is equally impossible, for the same reason.I know appealing to the empathetic side to a conservative is pointless (since it does not exist),
This happens because the money that goes out exceeds the money that goes in. This will be the same for the goverment-run health care -- but then, liberals don't care about the givernment spending more than it takes in (unless a Republican is in charge).All the for profit industry needs is an excuse to drop you the moment you become non-profitable.
Unlike liberals, -I- do not base my political posiions on my personal situation because -I- understand that the world is bigger than just me -- and so, whatever might happen to me, my stance will remain the same.All fine and good I guess as long as it happens to other people, so when/if it happens to you I guess you will just smile and accept it?
The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance). No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage. Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care and I feel it's indicative of the fact that the U.S. system is no longer centered around providing care (if it ever was in the first place).
Agreed. For Profit care is a stupid idea.
You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?Why is for profit health care bad?
You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?
:shock:
Yep, I find that whenever I ask people, with flaky positions, questions they tend to crumble with overly generic talking points not bound in facts.
Then you swing the hammer and finish it off. :shoot
You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?
:shock:
What is wrong with you Granola Liberals can you not read. You pick one item to attack but even there you're wrong we hear news stories all the time of patients coming here for treatment and people in the UK and Canada have to wait months for simple treatment. Canadians come here in droves for treatment because of the rationing of care there.
The other thing you over looked because you're part of the I hate America Obama disciples is that I clearly said the system needs to be fixed.
The most egregious insurance practices occur in the individual market. How do you obtain your insurance?Interesting. I've never had a claim or coverage denied.
I've had a multitude of procedures, I've had kids, I've had PT - none denied.
Nor do I know anyone that has.
Can you explain that?
Because one should not have the bottom line as the end product. The insurance companies hire people to figure how to get away with the least amount of care for people in order to save dimes, even when those kinds of care are included in their package. It's a way to find loopholes in the structure so that the company can profit on people's pain.
I don't know why people are for profit health care. It makes no sense at all. Many of the arguments from the right in this regard are incredibly disingenuous. It's an immoral system.
Do you disagree with the for profit food sector then? You need food more than you need health care.
Do you disagree with the for profit food sector then? You need food more than you need health care.
Is the food industry a completely free market, or are their price controls, subsidies, and government intervention into the market?
Much of the food sector is regulated heavily and prices are kept down. So, no, I have no problem with it. Subsidies by the government keep the prices down. What I don't like about the food industry is they try to sell all of us junk for cheap and make healthy food far more expensive. Now that makes no sense to me.
Government corn subsidies help keep things like High Fructose corn syrup in our soft drinks and other foods instead of real sugar, real sugar is better for you.
There are no price controls in the food industry in fact government is helping establish corporate farms instead of letting the little guys compete.
Ever hear of Monsanto? They own the rights to Round Up ready corn and soy.
They are a very large corporation and they receive farm subsidies. If you don't know Round Up is a weed killer, the corn is genetically altered so that the weed killer won't kill the corn.
Most of the farm subsidies go to a small pool of corporations.
The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
This is from the wiki page supposedly using USDA 2006 Fiscal Year Budget
The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
Commodity US Dollars (in Millions)
Feed Grains $2,841
Upland and ElS Cotton $1,420
Wheat $1,173
Rice $1,130
Soybeans and products $610
Dairy $ 295
Peanuts $259
Sugar $61
Minor Oilseeds $29
Tobacco $18
Wool and Mohair $12
Vegetable Oil products $11
Honey $3
Other Crops $160
Total $8,022
I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
Why? How?I think profits are great in many sectors. People should be able to do the jobs they want, own businesses, and become rich if they can. But, when it comes to health care, no. Health care is a different thing altogether.
I'll take that as a "no".The most egregious insurance practices occur in the individual market. How do you obtain your insurance?
The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
This is from the wiki page supposedly using USDA 2006 Fiscal Year Budget
The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
Commodity US Dollars (in Millions)
Feed Grains $2,841
Upland and ElS Cotton $1,420
Wheat $1,173
Rice $1,130
Soybeans and products $610
Dairy $ 295
Peanuts $259
Sugar $61
Minor Oilseeds $29
Tobacco $18
Wool and Mohair $12
Vegetable Oil products $11
Honey $3
Other Crops $160
Total $8,022
I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
$8B represents 0.7% of the total GDP based only on food production (not total agriculture) from 2006.The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
Total $8,022
I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
Just because Canadian and UK systems have flaws does not mean the American system does not need fixing.
Why don't we do this. Those that want the current reform can so indicate on our income tax form, and we can accept a higher rate. We can also get all of the outcome of the system. So should we lose our job, be denied coverage, lose coverage, etc.. we will benefit. Along with the cost savings.
Those that oppose can simply mark on their income tax form they do not want this. So they will pay a lower rate. Except they or their family will never be able to take any benefits or coverage from the reform system. If medical bills become a burden, tough s**t. If they lose their jobs, tough s**t. If they are denied coverage, tough s**t. If your 65, go live with your kids, live on the street, or kill yourself, but don't come begging to Medicare.
Hell why stop there. We can do the same with that evil Socialist education system we call public education. Of course when our GDP drops because we do not have enough educated people, we are given the right to tax the s**t out of conservatives to make up for OUR losses in income growth. Oh, and they also can not bitch and moan when we bring in more educated immigrants from China, India, etc.. to make up for the loss in employment pool.
Sorry but I am sick to death of listening to conservatives, most of whom who have sucked at the teat of big government their entire lives complain. Prime example; Phil Gramm the leader in conservative hypocrisy and stupidity. Like when I looked at those moron Tea-Bagger rallies and see that about 99% were of the lower economic classes, I just wanted to vomit at the sight of such stupidity. Well I suppose they could all just home school the kiddies, yeah right. Personally one has never come across my desk, but I can guarantee that we would NEVER even interview a home schooler.
The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance). No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage. Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care and I feel it's indicative of the fact that the U.S. system is no longer centered around providing care (if it ever was in the first place).
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