'Not the way things are supposed to work': Blue-state Republicans turn on Speaker in GOP map battle

[ColdHardTruth]

'Not the way things are supposed to work': Blue-state Republicans turn on Speaker in GOP map battle​

The Washington Post reports House Speaker Mike Johnson is having to calm fears from blue-state Republicans alarmed at being pushed from office by retaliatory gerrymanders.

Hounded by falling poll numbers and nervous at the mid-terms, President Donald Trump is pushing an ambitious plan to remake red-state district maps to bolster the House GOP majority in 2026.

Gerrymandering maps in the middle of a decade — as opposed to after new Census numbers come in every 10 years — is unprecedented, however. And blue-state Democrats, like California Gov. Gavin Newsome, have promised to retaliate by working with state legislators to erase vulnerable Republicans districts.

Yup, some republicans are rebelling.

MSN

 

[Phys251]

'Not the way things are supposed to work': Blue-state Republicans turn on Speaker in GOP map battle​

The Washington Post reports House Speaker Mike Johnson is having to calm fears from blue-state Republicans alarmed at being pushed from office by retaliatory gerrymanders.

Hounded by falling poll numbers and nervous at the mid-terms, President Donald Trump is pushing an ambitious plan to remake red-state district maps to bolster the House GOP majority in 2026.

Gerrymandering maps in the middle of a decade — as opposed to after new Census numbers come in every 10 years — is unprecedented, however. And blue-state Democrats, like California Gov. Gavin Newsome, have promised to retaliate by working with state legislators to erase vulnerable Republicans districts.

Yup, some republicans are rebelling.

MSN

Tough beans, Repubs. You made this bed of nails. Time to lie in it.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Tough beans, Repubs. You made this bed of nails. Time to lie in it.

The honest truth is that some of these people know they are about be out of a job.

They fear this because it means they will actually have to work for a living.

 

[CaughtInThe]

4 years of chaos and pain

 

[Phys251]

The honest truth is that some of these people know they are about be out of a job.

They fear this because it means they will actually have to work for a living.

They're scared of the Democrats' finally growing a spine and fighting back.

 

[mrjurrs]

Tough beans, Repubs. You made this bed of nails. Time to lie in it.

Unfortunately, if the gloves come off completely, there will be more solid red districts than solid blue districts. Imo, both parties are underestimating the dissatisfaction with the wanna-be king's actions.

The Tuesday after the first Monday in 11.26 can't come soon enough.

 

[Callen]

American politics and American governance is so screwed up.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Unfortunately, if the gloves come off completely, there will be more solid red districts than solid blue districts. Imo, both parties are underestimating the dissatisfaction with the wanna-be king's actions.

The Tuesday after the first Monday in 11.26 can't come soon enough.

I do not agree with this.

If the Dems push out the republicans, there will be more blue districts, and the democrats will regain control. Once this happens, the reich-wing justices on the SCOTUS are getting the heavy-duty booty.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

They're scared of the Democrats' finally growing a spine and fighting back.

 

[bongsaway]

American politics and American governance is so screwed up.

And yet our founders thought if only landowning white men with money and education be our leaders, they would have no need to steal from the government because they were already wealthy.

My, my, my how america has change, the motto is now...greed is good, support your local billionaires.

 

[Perotista]

'Not the way things are supposed to work': Blue-state Republicans turn on Speaker in GOP map battle​

The Washington Post reports House Speaker Mike Johnson is having to calm fears from blue-state Republicans alarmed at being pushed from office by retaliatory gerrymanders.

Hounded by falling poll numbers and nervous at the mid-terms, President Donald Trump is pushing an ambitious plan to remake red-state district maps to bolster the House GOP majority in 2026.

Gerrymandering maps in the middle of a decade — as opposed to after new Census numbers come in every 10 years — is unprecedented, however. And blue-state Democrats, like California Gov. Gavin Newsome, have promised to retaliate by working with state legislators to erase vulnerable Republicans districts.

Yup, some republicans are rebelling.

MSN

It’s called self-preservation. There’s no doubt that Texas is in the wrong here. I view gerrymandering as nothing more than political parties rigging the election results prior to any vote taking place. Both parties rig or gerrymander like the ying yang, but so far have done so only after the census. That has become the norm, expected. There’s been no mid-decade gerrymandering, redistricting, rigging as far as I can remember or find. This Texas form of rigging, gerrymandering in mid-decade or mid-census is new. Trump in other words have ordered Texas to rig next year’s midterms to achieve the desired results Trump and the republicans want. Now California is joining the fray, going to do their own mid-decade, mid-census rigging or gerrymandering. Some republican congressional critters may pay the price.

Do I blame California, no. They are responding or perhaps defending against Texas and Trump who fired the first shot at rigging elections. Texas is the aggressor here. I’m against any form of rigging or gerrymandering, but with California I understand. One must defend when attacked or roll over dead and surrender.

Just a question here for Trump supporters and republicans dealing only with Texas with their mid-decade, mid-census redistricting or gerrymandering rigging of the upcoming election. Isn’t rigging election results the worst kind of election fraud anyone, any political party can do?

 

[mrjurrs]

I do not agree with this.

If the Dems push out the republicans, there will be more blue districts, and the democrats will regain control. Once this happens, the reich-wing justices on the SCOTUS are getting the heavy-duty booty.

AI
"Under a scenario of extreme partisan and racial gerrymandering, the exact outcome for seat distribution in the House of Representatives is difficult to definitively predict. However, based on current demographic trends and gerrymandering's effects:
Republicans would likely gain a significant number of seats as they are more likely to be able to draw district lines that consolidate Democratic voters into a smaller number of districts ("packing") while spreading their own voters across more districts, creating slim majorities in a greater number of seats.
The Republican party holds an advantage among white voters, who still make up the majority of the US population, according to Pew Research Center. This means racial gerrymandering that aims to dilute minority votes would also inherently favor Republicans.

Factors to Consider
The extent of gerrymandering's impact: While studies suggest that nationwide partisan gerrymandering effects tend to balance out, leading to only a small advantage for one party, extreme gerrymandering in individual states can lead to significant shifts in seat distribution.
Legal and constitutional limits: There are legal challenges to extreme gerrymandering, especially when race is considered the predominant factor in drawing district lines. However, the Supreme Court has made it more difficult to prove racial gerrymandering when there is a plausible argument for partisan motivation, notes the League of Women Voters.

In summary, under a scenario of unchecked partisan and racial gerrymandering, the Republican party would likely have more seats in the House of Representatives due to their greater advantage among the majority white population and their potential ability to dilute the votes of minority groups and create more "safe" seats."

 

[Lycanthrope]

If all this nonsense ****s over the Republicans it will be no less than they deserve.

 

[Blue Dog]

Not sure how this is going to play out. There are two forces in play.

1. If red states and blues states all gerrymander going into the midterms the reds have the advantage based on numbers.

2. The Presidents party( in this case the GOP) loses seats in Congress. The blues have the advantage.

 

[Mycroft]

Gerrymandering maps in the middle of a decade — as opposed to after new Census numbers come in every 10 years — is unprecedented, however.

False.

This has happened before, and the Supreme Court has upheld the action.

 

[Callen]

Just a question here for Trump supporters and republicans dealing only with Texas with their mid-decade, mid-census redistricting or gerrymandering rigging of the upcoming election. Isn’t rigging election results the worst kind of election fraud anyone, any political party can do?

Trumpers want to pretend this is just about gerrymandering to catch up with what Dems have done. They want to totally ignore the mid- decade, mid-census thing and Trump's directive to find him 5 more seats in the 2026 election. It's deliberate election rigging but they are pretending it's something else.

 

[JMB1911A1]

35 vulnerable Republican seats in Democrat controlled states.

55 vulnerable Democrat seats in Republican controlled states.

 

[Callen]

Not sure how this is going to play out. There are two forces in play.

1. If red states and blues states all gerrymander going into the midterms the reds have the advantage based on numbers.

2. The Presidents party( in this case the GOP) loses seats in Congress. The blues have the advantage.

I think what is being overlooked here is the number of vulnerable districts there are as well as how this move may in fact increase the number of districts that could go either way. When it comes to the TX / CA thing the GOP are giving up 5 solid red seats for 5 maybe they go red seats.

 

[SCrider]

Tough beans, Repubs. You made this bed of nails. Time to lie in it.

Hopefully the GOP elephant will step on them while they are lying on that bed

 

[Callen]

35 vulnerable Republican seats in Democrat controlled states.

55 vulnerable Democrat seats in Republican controlled states.

To me all that says is there are 90 vulnerable seats.

 

[venice_ca]

American politics and American governance is so screwed up.

And to think that Canada passed on becoming the 51st state and missed being part of this epic fluster cluck.

 

[Perotista]

Trumpers want to pretend this is just about gerrymandering to catch up with what Dems have done. They want to totally ignore the mid- decade, mid-census thing and Trump's directive to find him 5 more seats in the 2026 election. It's deliberate election rigging but they are pretending it's something else.

The republicans and Trump can pretend. But Texas was one of the states that did gerrymander quite a lot after the 2020 census. Now they want to do more. As far as I’m concerned, gerrymandering in any form is rigging an election for the desired results prior to any vote being cast in any election.

It's sad and I might add unamerican to rig, gerrymander elections, but that has become the norm for both major parties after the census and is expected to be done by both. This mid-decade or mid-census redistricting, rigging elections even further is unheard of and as far as I know, never been done before. This is election fraud, determining the outcome of the congressional elections in the state of Texas way before folks go to vote. For this, Trump and the republicans in Texas ought to be brought up on election fraud, rigging elections if such a federal law exist.

 

[Perotista]

To me all that says is there are 90 vulnerable seats.

If one classifies or equates competitive seats to vulnerable seats or seats that are in the risk of switching as of today, the democrats have 22 such seats to the republicans 18. Remember this is as of today prior to Texas or any other states redrawing their district lines. This mean we have 395 congressional seats that are not competitive or as of today, not at risk of switching parties. These figures are dynamic and will change, perhaps drastically.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Once the Supreme Court strikes down The Voting Rights Act, this will be the norm.

In my opinion, they have already signaled that they are either going to gut it more or get rid of it entirely and that is why Republicans are being so bold about racial gerrymandering.

 

[Callen]

If one classifies or equates competitive seats to vulnerable seats or seats that are in the risk of switching as of today, the democrats have 22 such seats to the republicans 18. Remember this is as of today prior to Texas or any other states redrawing their district lines. This mean we have 395 congressional seats that are not competitive or as of today, not at risk of switching parties. These figures are dynamic and will change, perhaps drastically.

By what definition?