Nobody Say "F*ck Israel, Free Palestine" (1 Viewer)

[oneworld2]

"Instead of saying "**** Israel free Palestine," you should try putting yourself in the shoes of the tender-hearted individuals who support the complete ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. They're just minding their own business merrily celebrating the carpet bombing of a giant concentration camp full of children and then you come along and ruin their day by saying "**** Israel free Palestine. What a cruel and hateful thing that would be.

I mean all they are doing is cheer leading the mutilation evisceration and incineration of children and the assassination of journalists and medical workers and the systematic destruction of civilian infrastructure and the complete flattening of an entire region whose population they are methodically exterminating via bullets bombs starvation and disease it's not like they're doing anything nasty. "

Ain't that the truth of the situation!!

 

[Mr Person]

The wise and not full-of-shit virtue-signalling thing / not antisemitic "but I made sure to say Israel, not Jews" thing would be a combination:

- **** Likud, Bibi, and foremost Ben Gvir;
- **** Hamas;
- **** every last Palestinian who supports Hamas, especially those that voted for it when Israel withdrew in 06/07;
- Pity the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians;
- May we help the rest of the Palestinians rise up against Hamas, and may we help rebuild a terrorist-free Gaza (or as close as one can get).

Of course it also bears noting that if there wasn't an Israel, the four main tribes in Palestine would be at each others' throats instead....

It's not as satisfying as a simple "Genocide! Israel is evil and Palestinians are good!", not the least because it forces the speaker to reckon with the situation on the ground, which is several interlocked ourobori (ouroboroses?). It's a lot harder when you don't knowingly force disparate groups into one umbrella group, then choose to either praise it as purely innocent or condemn it as purely evil. Then you have to contend with the fact that there are both groups of innocent people in each umbrella group and groups of evil, all overlapping, interlocking, yadda yadda.

cheer leading the mutilation evisceration and incineration of children

In taking Hamas's side and rooting for Israel's destruction, that's exactly what you're doing and rooting for more of; 'cause that's what Hamas did, and worse.

 

[Phys251]

The wise and not full-of-shit virtue-signalling thing / not antisemitic "but I made sure to say Israel, not Jews" thing would be a combination:

- **** Likud, Bibi, and foremost Ben Gvir;
- **** Hamas;
- **** every last Palestinian who supports Hamas, especially those that voted for it when Israel withdrew in 06/07;
- Pity the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians;
- May we help the rest of the Palestinians rise up against Hamas, and may we help rebuild a terrorist-free Gaza (or as close as one can get).

Of course it also bears noting that if there wasn't an Israel, the four main tribes in Palestine would be at each others' throats instead....

It's not as satisfying as a simple "Genocide! Israel is evil and Palestinians are good!", not the least because it forces the speaker to reckon with the situation on the ground, which is several interlocked ourobori (ouroboroses?). It's a lot harder when you don't knowingly force disparate groups into one umbrella group, then choose to either praise it as purely innocent or condemn it as purely evil. Then you have to contend with the fact that there are both groups of innocent people in each umbrella group and groups of evil, all overlapping, interlocking, yadda yadda.



In taking Hamas's side and rooting for Israel's destruction, that's exactly what you're doing and rooting for more of; 'cause that's what Hamas did, and worse.

Always with the it's-Hamas-or-Israel dichotomy. Completely ignoring the innocent Palestinians caught in the destruction.

 

[oneworld2]

The wise and not full-of-shit virtue-signalling thing / not antisemitic "but I made sure to say Israel, not Jews" thing would be a combination:

Israel doesn't represent the entire Jewish population of the planet anymore than Iran doesn't represent the entire Muslim population of the world.

Hiding behind phony accusations of antisemtism to support apartheid and genocide, mass murder and ethnic cleansing, illegal occupations and illegal settlements only confirms the wish to be dishonest in service to that list of atrocities.

Your positions aren't even in the moral gutter, they are in the sludge found at the absolute bottom of the sewer

 

[oneworld2]

The wise and not full-of-shit virtue-signalling thing / not antisemitic "but I made sure to say Israel, not Jews" thing would be a combination:

- **** Likud, Bibi, and foremost Ben Gvir;

Well you say that at the very time you are constantly cheer leading for the mass crimes being committed against the Palestinians , both in Gaza and in the West Bank

- **** Hamas;
- **** every last Palestinian who supports Hamas, especially those that voted for it when Israel withdrew in 06/07;

The racism in your position above is obvious as is your gaslighting. The ICJ gave the verdict already, Gaza remained under ILLEGAL Israeli occupation even after the disengagement. So they never really truly " withdrew". The moved the concentration camp guards from the interior to the perimeter fence. It remained a prison

And the racism?

If you decry those who have supported or do support Hamas because they are supporting war criminals, which is what you are doing, then why wouldn't you, likewise, decry those Israelis who have or do support Israeli war criminals? And you can take that back to the Labour run days of Israel.

So , you are both ignorant of the situation in Gaza post " disengagement" and racist/bigoted towards Palestinians wrt who they have or do support.

Talk about out yourself!!

 

[oneworld2]

Always with the it's-Hamas-or-Israel dichotomy. Completely ignoring the innocent Palestinians caught in the destruction.

He is a sickening apologist for Israeli genocide and apartheid, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation because of the bigoted lens he views the conflict through.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The wise and not full-of-shit virtue-signalling thing / not antisemitic "but I made sure to say Israel, not Jews" thing would be a combination:

- **** Likud, Bibi, and foremost Ben Gvir;
- **** Hamas;
- **** every last Palestinian who supports Hamas, especially those that voted for it when Israel withdrew in 06/07;
- Pity the rest of the Israelis and Palestinians;
- May we help the rest of the Palestinians rise up against Hamas, and may we help rebuild a terrorist-free Gaza (or as close as one can get).

Of course it also bears noting that if there wasn't an Israel, the four main tribes in Palestine would be at each others' throats instead....

Except this isn't how people normally talk about these things, despite what you're saying is accurate about the diversity of opinion in any given nation. The general assumption is a plurality of people in any given country voted for the person and government responsible for whatever issue it is someone is complaining about.

It's not as satisfying as a simple "Genocide! Israel is evil and Palestinians are good!", not the least because it forces the speaker to reckon with the situation on the ground, which is several interlocked ourobori (ouroboroses?). It's a lot harder when you don't knowingly force disparate groups into one umbrella group, then choose to either praise it as purely innocent or condemn it as purely evil. Then you have to contend with the fact that there are both groups of innocent people in each umbrella group and groups of evil, all overlapping, interlocking, yadda yadda.



In taking Hamas's side and rooting for Israel's destruction, that's exactly what you're doing and rooting for more of; 'cause that's what Hamas did, and worse.

I've grown weary of this overly simplistic narrative that paints opposition to Israel's actions in Gaza as it being solely about HAMAS, since there are other considerations here as well. Interestingly enough, the same generalization you're critiquing that's used against Israel also applies with how pro-Israel and Zionist groups paint those who support Palestinians.

 

[Fledermaus]

Well you say that at the very time you are constantly cheer leading for the mass crimes being committed against the Palestinians , both in Gaza and in the West Bank


The racism in your position above is obvious as is your gaslighting. The ICJ gave the verdict already, Gaza remained under ILLEGAL Israeli occupation even after the disengagement. So they never really truly " withdrew". The moved the concentration camp guards from the interior to the perimeter fence. It remained a prison

And the racism?

If you decry those who have supported or do support Hamas because they are supporting war criminals, which is what you are doing, then why wouldn't you, likewise, decry those Israelis who have or do support Israeli war criminals? And you can take that back to the Labour run days of Israel.

So , you are both ignorant of the situation in Gaza post " disengagement" and racist/bigoted towards Palestinians wrt who they have or do support.

Talk about out yourself!!

Racism?

What race is HAMAS or Palestinian?

 

[oneworld2]

Of course it also bears noting that if there wasn't an Israel, the four main tribes in Palestine would be at each others' throats instead....

And here is another racist/bigoted position.

Why?

Because violence is a human history that isn't specific to any group, creed, race, religion.

Your supposition is that Arabs are somehow more prone to violence than any other group, that's just bigoted nonsense that anyone remotely acquainted with human history will see right through in an instant.

It's not as satisfying as a simple "Genocide! Israel is evil and Palestinians are good!", not the least because it forces the speaker to reckon with the situation on the ground, which is several interlocked ourobori (ouroboroses?). It's a lot harder when you don't knowingly force disparate groups into one umbrella group, then choose to either praise it as purely innocent or condemn it as purely evil. Then you have to contend with the fact that there are both groups of innocent people in each umbrella group and groups of evil, all overlapping, interlocking, yadda yadda

Straw man argument. Nobody is saying one side are good and the others evil, you're lying or misrepresenting and deliberately so

Facts,

Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese land, not the other way around.

Israel is illegally settling parts of those land AND taking ever more under illegal occupation.

Israel enforces an illegal apartheid system on the Palestinians.

Israel is illegally mass violating the HRs of millions of people every day who are compelled to live under its illegal occupations

Israel is committing an illegal genocide in Gaza.

.In taking Hamas's side and rooting for Israel's destruction, that's exactly what you're doing and rooting for more of; 'cause that's what Hamas did, and worse.

I support the Palestinian right to use armed conflict in a bid to free themselves from illegal and psychotic occupiers, it's not an immoral position and it's actually a inalienable right that most people recognize, except when it comes to this conflict. Th wish to see the creation of a Palestinian state and the end to the barbaric and illegal Israeli occupation is also a moral and legally supported position.

You are compelled to lie and misrepresent in order to run cover for those who are engaged in apartheid enforcement and genocide and you think you hold some sort of moral high ground?

Your post here are bigoted, ignorant nonsense bereft of any moral integrity

 

[Fledermaus]

And here is another racist/bigoted position.

Why?

Because violence is a human history that isn't specific to any group, creed, race, religion.

Your supposition is that Arabs are somehow more prone to violence than any other group, that's just bigoted nonsense that anyone remotely acquainted with human history will see right through in an instant.


Straw man argument. Nobody is saying one side are good and the others evil, you're lying or misrepresenting and deliberately so

Facts,

Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian, Syrian and Lebanese land, not the other way around.

Israel is illegally settling parts of those land AND taking ever more under illegal occupation.

Israel enforces an illegal apartheid system on the Palestinians.

Israel is illegally mass violating the HRs of millions of people every day who are compelled to live under its illegal occupations

Israel is committing an illegal genocide in Gaza.




I support the Palestinian right to use armed conflict in a bid to free themselves from illegal and psychotic occupiers, it's not an immoral position and it's actually a inalienable right that most people recognize, except when it comes to this conflict. Th wish to see the creation of a Palestinian state and the end to the barbaric and illegal Israeli occupation is also a moral and legally supported position.

You are compelled to lie and misrepresent in order to run cover for those who are engaged in apartheid enforcement and genocide and you think you hold some sort of moral high ground?

Your post here are bigoted, ignorant nonsense bereft of any moral integrity

What race is Palestine?

 

[oneworld2]

What race is Palestine?

Racism?

What race is HAMAS or Palestinian?

^^^^^ Childish gibberish

 

[Fledermaus]

^^^^^ Childish gibberish

Childish non answer.

What race is HAMAS or Palestinian?

 

[Dans La Lune]

If you support Israel in its current state, you are necessarily supporting illegal settler expansion, ethnic cleansing and yes, genocide. Don't kid yourself. At least have the balls to admit it.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Childish non answer.

What race is HAMAS or Palestinian?

Human race. Do you ask that question of Jews?

 

[Fledermaus]

If you support Israel in its current state, you are necessarily supporting illegal settler expansion, ethnic cleansing and yes, genocide. Don't kid yourself. At least have the balls to admit it.

One can support Israel while being against West Bank settlements, etc.

 

[Fledermaus]

Human race. Do you ask that question of Jews?

I'm not the one crying RACIST.

 

[Dans La Lune]

I support the Palestinian right to use armed conflict in a bid to free themselves from illegal and psychotic occupiers, it's not an immoral position and it's actually a inalienable right that most people recognize, except when it comes to this conflict. Th wish to see the creation of a Palestinian state and the end to the barbaric and illegal Israeli occupation is also a moral and legally supported position.

You are compelled to lie and misrepresent in order to run cover for those who are engaged in apartheid enforcement and genocide and you think you hold some sort of moral high ground?

Your post here are bigoted, ignorant nonsense bereft of any moral integrity

They are racist, there's no question about that. If nothing justifies what Hamas did on October 7th, but October 7th justifies what Israel has done since then, that is necessarily a racist statement (as it relates to the artificial constructs of race and ethnicity).

 

[Dans La Lune]

I'm not the one crying RACIST.

Race is an artificial construct to begin with. Racism is classifying cultural and ethnic differences into categories and being bigoted against those differences. If you're saying racism doesn't exist because we are all one race, fine. But you then you can't ever claim antisemitism (which if we're being etymologically accurate, would also include Arabs). How far do you want to take this reasoning? Or can we use common words and terms to describe commonly understood things, like adults?

How academic do you want to be?

 

[Dans La Lune]

One can support Israel while being against West Bank settlements, etc.

Sorry, you can't, since that is the modus operandi of Israel. Just like you can't support Apartheid South Africa without supporting Apartheid.

 

[Fledermaus]

Race is an artificial construct to begin with. Racism is classifying cultural and ethnic differences into categories and being bigoted against those differences. If you're saying racism doesn't exist because we are all one race, fine. But you then you can't ever claim antisemitism (which if we're being etymologically accurate, would also include Arabs). How far do you want to take this reasoning? Or can we use common words and terms to describe commonly understood things, like adults?

How academic do you want to be?

How about Islamophobe?

 

[Fledermaus]

Sorry, you can't, since that is the modus operandi of Israel. Just like you can't support Apartheid South Africa without supporting Apartheid.

Your OPINION is noted and rejected.because people like me can support Israel while being against West Bank settlements.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Your OPINION is noted and rejected.because people like me can support Israel while being against West Bank settlements.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[Dans La Lune]

How about Islamophobe?

Uh... the term is pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Fledermaus]

Keep telling yourself that.

You have a ALL OR NOTHING mindset?

Interesting.

 

[Dans La Lune]

You have a ALL OR NOTHING mindset?

Interesting.

Nope. I support South Africa, but not Apartheid South Africa. When Israel reforms, I will support it. Right now its a vehicle for Zionism, not a relationship with the indigenous people or its neighbors. It is strictly a colonialist project. Could a version of Israel emerge that could be supported be decent people? Sure. See the South Africa model.