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It is now, however, that Chomsky says we are “facing the prospect of destruction” of human life on Earth. https://www.newstatesman.com/encoun...ing-the-most-dangerous-point-in-human-history
Climate change has been the central topic of Chomsky’s most recent works, in which he writes about the inextricable tie between global warming and capitalism. He has deemed Earth as unsalvageable within the “time scale” that capitalist countries such as the U.S. have made for it, even with the establishment of policies committed to decreasing carbon output.
“There is no one other than Donald Trump –in history– who has done more to try to drive the human race to extinction,” said Chomsky, who added that “nothing else mattered” if the future was destroyed. He listed Trump’s policies focusing on “maximizing fossil fuels” and “cutting back” regulations that addressed climate change. Chomsky also likened “Trump’s fanaticism” to Hitler’s Nazis rallies, describing, in particular, the strong base of Republicans against addressing climate change as “a truly dangerous insurgency.” He described the party’s disregard of global warming as “a death warrant” for humankind........
Though he self-identifies as an anarcho-syndicalist or a libertarian socialist, Chomsky revealed to me that he had voted for Republicans in the past (“like them or not, they were an authentic party”). But now he said, they were a truly dangerous insurgency.
“Because of Trump’s fanaticism, the worshipful base of the Republican Party barely regards climate change as a serious problem. That’s a death warrant to the species.”
On Ukraine: "....he added: “Why did he do it? There are two ways of looking at this question. One way, the fashionable way in the West, is to plumb the recesses of Putin’s twisted mind and try to determine what’s happening in his deep psyche.“The other way would be to look at the facts: for example, that in September 2021 the United States came out with a strong policy statement, calling for enhanced military cooperation with Ukraine, further sending of advanced military weapons, all part of the enhancement programme of Ukraine joining Nato. You can take your choice, we don’t know which is right. What we do know is that Ukraine will be further devastated. And we may move on to terminal nuclear war if we do not pursue the opportunities that exist for a negotiated settlement.”
How does he respond to the argument that Putin’s greatest fear is not encirclement by Nato but the spread of liberal democracy in Ukraine and Russia’s “near abroad”?
“...Putin is as concerned with democracy as we are. If it’s possible to break out of the propaganda bubble for a few minutes, the US has a long record of undermining and destroying democracy. Do I have to run through it? Iran in 1953, Guatemala in 1954, Chile in 1973, on and on… But we are supposed to now honour and admire Washington’s enormous commitment to sovereignty and democracy. What happened in history doesn’t matter. That’s for other people...."
Well I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news. What do you want to hear first? What’s that? The bad news? Happy to oblige.There is something really troubling about us being responsible for destroying all life on a planet. Killing a planet?
It's sick.
Chomsky is a critical thinker. They're often hard to listen to, but they tend to cut to the chase.
Every time somebody blames the spread of NATO for Russian aggression, my first question is, “Do you not know what NATO is?? These people seem to occupy one of three groups: 1) Pro-Putin propagandists (we’ve got ‘em!), 2) People who don’t know history (We’ve got those too!), and 3) People who are perpetually confused by the concept of cause and effect (Talking to these people is futile).Without discussing his thoughts on the environmental question (with which I largely I agree) I find this position on Ukraine having as much moral clarity and solidity as a meringue.
It seems that he has managed to re-frame Russia's brutal invasion of the sovereign nation of Ukraine as a truly horrible atrocity...committed by the United States.
In his mind, the United States is like some sort of cruel God of his universe. A first mover around which all other nations revolve, and can merely react to. There can be no other wicked actors without first blaming the prime wicked actor: America.
You know, I think I’m starting to figure out why I’m not invited to parties.
It seems that he has managed to re-frame Russia's brutal invasion of the sovereign nation of Ukraine as a truly horrible atrocity...committed by the United States.
In his mind, the United States is like some sort of cruel God of his universe. A first mover around which all other nations revolve, and can merely react to. There can be no other wicked actors without first blaming the prime wicked actor: America.
Very well said! I wish I could give 100 likes.Well I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news. What do you want to hear first? What’s that? The bad news? Happy to oblige.
The bad news is we have multiple ways of killing all life on earth. Or near enough as would be filed under “Same difference.”
The good news is that the earth is a totally enduring biosphere. Short of the sun exploding or the earth being pulled off its orbit and flung into outer space as a rogue planet, life will always come back. Nothing we do can possibly be any worse than the Permian-Triassic extinction event, and the earth bounced right the hell back from that. Sure, it took ~3 million of years for it to happen, but in earth years that’s not really too long. And the recovery time after a global nuclear war is a lot shorter than you might imagine: 10-20 years.
You know, I think I’m starting to figure out why I’m not invited to parties.
Well I’ve got good news and I’ve got bad news. What do you want to hear first? What’s that? The bad news? Happy to oblige.
The bad news is we have multiple ways of killing all life on earth. Or near enough as would be filed under “Same difference.”
The good news is that the earth is a totally enduring biosphere. Short of the sun exploding or the earth being pulled off its orbit and flung into outer space as a rogue planet, life will always come back. Nothing we do can possibly be any worse than the Permian-Triassic extinction event, and the earth bounced right the hell back from that. Sure, it took ~3 million of years for it to happen, but in earth years that’s not really too long. And the recovery time after a global nuclear war is a lot shorter than you might imagine: 10-20 years.
You know, I think I’m starting to figure out why I’m not invited to parties.
No, of course I didn't say anything about humans. All I was addressing was the rather depressing notion that earth could be turned into a lifeless rock floating in space. I mean...it could...just not because of anything we could do to it.Life may bounce back- but that's not saying anything about humans though. Who knows? Maybe we will have intelligent cockroaches as the new dominant species on the planet. They will probably study and marvel at how the human species self-annihilated through its own stupidity and short-sightedness. At least the dinosaurs got wiped out not through any action of their own.
Define "recovery" in the context of nuclear war.And the recovery time after a global nuclear war is a lot shorter than you might imagine: 10-20 years.
Now that COVID 19 is finally on the wane, I'm sure your number of party invitations will skyrocket.You know, I think I’m starting to figure out why I’m not invited to parties.
Without discussing his thoughts on the environmental question (with which I largely I agree) I find this position on Ukraine having as much moral clarity and solidity as a meringue.
It seems that he has managed to re-frame Russia's brutal invasion of the sovereign nation of Ukraine as a truly horrible atrocity...committed by the United States
In his mind, the United States is like some sort of cruel God of his universe. A first mover around which all other nations revolve, and can merely react to. There can be no other wicked actors without first blaming the prime wicked actor: America.
"Recovery" means that the radiation from the explosions settle and fade to background levels, and the earth returns as a recognizably life supporting biosphere. Humans wouldn't be destroyed in the process, but our civilization would be wrecked and the total population would be cut in half at least (and that's on the extremely optimistic end).Define "recovery" in the context of nuclear war.
Now that COVID 19 is finally on the wane, I'm sure your number of party invitations will skyrocket.
Chomsky's an idiot. A self important doomsayer.In a recent interview with the NewStatesman (yes, a liberal publication, but scores high on factual integrity and reliability .... and an interview you can see for yourself), Noam Chomsky, one of the great thinkers of our time (not to be confused with the DP poster, who is a pretty thinker in his own right) argued that we are approaching the MOST dangerous point in human history. Just look at the standoff in Eastern Europe and think about how we have ignored climate change, and to find foundation for his concern. The cited article (and see YouTube below): https://www.newstatesman.com/encoun...ing-the-most-dangerous-point-in-human-history
Although he marches to a different beat, Noam Chomsky remains of the great thinkers of our time. It isn't necessary to agree with him, but he sufficiently versed and articulate on politics and the human condition that you should at least hear what he has to say. If you wish to dismiss it, have good reason to do so as he ain't no crackpot.
Anyone have thoughts on this (other than simply to dismiss Chomsky as a crackpot, which would be a rather sub-intellectual response)?
Chomsky's an idiot. A self important doomsayer.
Doesn't take a lot of brains to call someone an idiot. What is it about Chomsky that you think is wrong?
He is obsessed with pointing out the things the U.S. has done wrong rather than the things it has done right. And people that pronounced dome and gloom are like I said self important doomsayers.
He is obsessed with pointing out the things the U.S. has done wrong rather than the things it has done right. And people that pronounced dome and gloom are like I said self important doomsayers.
Only among the fanatical left is Noam Chomsky considered "one of the great thinkers of our time." To everyone else Noam Chomsky is an extreme leftist piece of shit and an anti-Semitic genocide denier. He holds the US to standards that he does not apply to any other nation. No wonder Democrat scum love him, he hates the US as much as they do.In a recent interview with the NewStatesman (yes, a liberal publication, but scores high on factual integrity and reliability .... and an interview you can see for yourself), Noam Chomsky, one of the great thinkers of our time (not to be confused with the DP poster, who is a pretty thinker in his own right) argued that we are approaching the MOST dangerous point in human history. Just look at the standoff in Eastern Europe and think about how we have ignored climate change, and to find foundation for his concern. The cited article (and see YouTube below): https://www.newstatesman.com/encoun...ing-the-most-dangerous-point-in-human-history
Although he marches to a different beat, Noam Chomsky remains of the great thinkers of our time. It isn't necessary to agree with him, but he sufficiently versed and articulate on politics and the human condition that you should at least hear what he has to say. If you wish to dismiss it, have good reason to do so as he ain't no crackpot.
Anyone have thoughts on this (other than simply to dismiss Chomsky as a crackpot, which would be a rather sub-intellectual response)?
Unfortunately, the "fun education video" you chose was wrong in a lot of areas. However, your premise that the Earth could be turned into a lifeless rock floating in space will eventually happen. In approximately another 500 million years the luminosity of the sun will increase by ~10%. That will be sufficient to completely boil off all the oceans and kill all complex life on Earth. The only life existing on Earth after that occurs will be thermophiles.No, of course I didn't say anything about humans. All I was addressing was the rather depressing notion that earth could be turned into a lifeless rock floating in space. I mean...it could...just not because of anything we could do to it.
Here's a fun educational video on one of the ways earth's biosphere could really...truly...die.
The end of the sun was one of my two scenarios. What was wrong with the video?Unfortunately, the "fun education video" you chose was wrong in a lot of areas. However, your premise that the Earth could be turned into a lifeless rock floating in space will eventually happen. In approximately another 500 million years the luminosity of the sun will increase by ~10%. That will be sufficient to completely boil off all the oceans and kill all complex life on Earth. The only life existing on Earth after that occurs will be thermophiles.
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