'No Way To Prevent This', says only nation where this regularly happens

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
NEWS IN BRIEF •

May 27, 2014

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as 'helpless'.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

It's hilarious. Except for all the dead and maimed people.

Threegoofs said:

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“No Way To Prevent This,” Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

It's hilarious. Except for all the dead and maimed people.

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You do know that The Onion is a satire site, don't you? Although this story is based on an actual incident, the story itself is false, intended as satire (and, in this case, really not working very well for that purpose).

Also, what those of you on the far-wrong think can and should be done to prevent incidents such as just happened in California is to impose more and more restrictions on the right of honest Americans to keep and bear arms, in overt violation of this nation's Constitution. California is one of the most corrupt and tyrannical states in the nation, where this right is concerned; among those that least upholds the Second Amendment. And all the useless, tyrannical, and blatantly unconstitutional laws that California has to violate the rights of its residents under the Second Amendment did nothing to prevent this incident. More laws, such as those that you on the far-wrong propose, will be every bit as useless, and every bit as harmful, as those already in effect here.

Threegoofs said:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
NEWS IN BRIEF •

May 27, 2014

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as 'helpless'.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

It's hilarious. Except for all the dead and maimed people.

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Lets start with you and people like you volunteering to sweep the inner cities clean of illegal firearms and target those that commit the vast majority of violent crimes in this country. Ready? GO!

Oh...and film that **** too...k? There are 4-5 TV shows that footage would be perfect for.

WHy is it that you are silent with the day to day murders which means about 355 days a year but only chirp up when their are cute pink victims to exploit and even THEN only offer 'solutions that will target the vast vast majority of law abiding citizens? Where is your day to day outrage targeted at the 1.2 million violent criminal acts that occur every year and those that commit those acts?

Bob Blaylock said:

You do know that The Onion is a satire site, don't you? Although this story is based on an actual incident, the story itself is false, intended as satire (and, in this case, really not working very well for that purpose).

Also, what those of you on the far-wrong think can and should be done to prevent incidents such as just happened in California is to impose more and more restrictions on the right of honest Americans to keep and bear arms, in overt violation of this nation's Constitution. California is one of the most corrupt and tyrannical states in the nation, where this right is concerned; among those that least upholds the Second Amendment. And all the useless, tyrannical, and blatantly unconstitutional laws that California has to violate the rights of its residents under the Second Amendment did nothing to prevent this incident. More laws, such as those that you on the far-wrong propose, will be every bit as useless, and every bit as harmful, as those already in effect here.

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Gosh.Really?

I thought it was a news site.


That changes everything. I need to go buy a couple really large ammo clips now.

VanceMack said:

Lets start with you and people like you volunteering to sweep the inner cities clean of illegal firearms and target those that commit the vast majority of violent crimes in this country. Ready? GO!

Oh...and film that **** too...k? There are 4-5 TV shows that footage would be perfect for.

WHy is it that you are silent with the day to day murders which means about 355 days a year but only chirp up when their are cute pink victims to exploit and even THEN only offer 'solutions that will target the vast vast majority of law abiding citizens? Where is your day to day outrage targeted at the 1.2 million violent criminal acts that occur every year and those that commit those acts?

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Doesn't it suck when a bunch of dead teenagers threaten your desire to have lots of guns?

It must really be awful to be under assault all the time.

I really feel for poor VMack. Always under persecution...

Australia banned guns and they haven't had a single mass shooting in 14 years straight. Just saying. And if you look at john olivers' show he addresses this issue.

Rainman05 said:

Australia banned guns and they haven't had a single mass shooting in 14 years straight. Just saying. And if you look at john olivers' show he addresses this issue.

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Sure. But that's data.

It doesn't compare to AMURICA! And FREEDOMS!

Threegoofs said:

Sure. But that's data.

It doesn't compare to AMURICA! And FREEDOMS!

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There may be some merit to allowing people to own guns. It is speculated that if people in Kyiv had guns, they may have been able to defend themselves against the regime when they unleashed the Berkrut on them. But I don't think that's true. I think that if they had had guns, they would have deligitimized the protest by becoming basically an armed gang of criminals and the puppet regime would be the "good guys" trying to defend themselves for the sake of stability. So I don't think guns would have helped the protesters, in fact, I think it would have made them criminals and destroy the protest from within. Some people had to die for the sake of change. that's "refreshing democracy with the blood of patriots". It's not civil war... it's sacrifice. The act of sacrificing oneself is stronger than a bullet or a gun or even an army because the message doesn't die, instead, it resounds in the minds and hearts of all in both sides.

I'm on no side of the issue really. I'm just saying that people who say gun control doesn't work are wrong. It does work. It doesn't neutralize all gun crime, as clearly shown, but it can reduce it by a significant percentage and certainly helps with the school shootings.

Most people don't know how to get a gun off the black market. It's a hassle. You need to find a criminal who will sell it to you and that means he has to trust you and that means you need to get involved in a whole different world and that comes with stress. And ofc, it's also the case that you need to pay a lot of money for it. There are no "heat of the moment" or "fit of rage" actions that you can take with a gun if you don't own a gun. By the time you get a gun, you may think things over and have a chance to get your head examined.

I live in a former commie country and here gun laws are incredibly restrictive. I cannot get a gun with live ammo.
The only instance in the past 24 years we had just 2 gun shootings with 1 fatality each. So 2 gun murders.

one was in 2009 when the crisis started and some convicted criminal who got out of prison went to rob a currency exchange shop and some random passerby tried to intervene and he got shot. if he hadn't intervened, the criminal would have just taken the money and run away.
And one I thin 3 years ago when some guy from the gendarmerie (our sort of SWAT/riot police) killed his girlfriend because she was cheating on him.

The other gun deaths are due to gypsy gangs who kill one another. They mostly use melee weapons but there is the 1% of the times when they get their hands on a gun and use that to kill each other in turf wars.

Threegoofs said:

Doesn't it suck when a bunch of dead teenagers threaten your desire to have lots of guns?

It must really be awful to be under assault all the time.

I really feel for poor VMack. Always under persecution...

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It sucks when people bathe themselves in other peoples blood to promote a cause. Yes...it does. It sucks when people blow right by the same perpetrator murdering three people with a hammer and knife only to exploit the dead for their ideological gains. It sucks when people pretend to care about victims but really only care about targeting guns. It sucks when people pretend to be upset about violence but ignore the 1.2 million violent crimes that occur every year.

Yes...yes it does.

Threegoofs said:

Gosh.Really?

I thought it was a news site.


That changes everything. I need to go buy a couple really large ammo clips now.

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They are not called clips, the correct term is magazines.

I've always wondered how someone can reconcile American exceptionalism with our violence and crime. An American is between 15 and 20 times (depending on which countries you count) as likely to be killed in a mass shooting than other industrialized nations. We imprison 10 times as much of our population as those same nations. What is it about Americans that makes us so much more brutal and violent than other countries? This kind of thing doesn't happen nearly as often in these other nations, so what makes us such worse people compared to our European neighbors? Or maybe we're not fundamentally different, but we're dumb enough to fill our society with deadly weapons and then act surprised when people use them?

Rainman05 said:

Australia banned guns and they haven't had a single mass shooting in 14 years straight. Just saying. And if you look at john olivers' show he addresses this issue.

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Interesting, though untrue. I'm sure some fact checking of your "source" (a comedian) will show that the claim is false.

For extra credit though, how many mass killings was Australia having BEFORE the restrictions? How can we fairly compare the present situations after the proposed prevention methods when the baseline is so different?

Republic Now! said:

Interesting, though untrue. I'm sure some fact checking of your "source" (a comedian) will show that the claim is false.

For extra credit though, how many mass killings was Australia having BEFORE the restrictions? How can we fairly compare the present situations after the proposed prevention methods when the baseline is so different?

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If you had watched the videos it would have told you. I think it was something like 14 in 18 years. So almost 1 a year, that's the remark John Oliver makes.

Feel free to fact check him. But seeing as how you didn't bother watching the videos to begin with, I'm not sure what you'll fact check.

Rainman05 said:

If you had watched the videos it would have told you. I think it was something like 14 in 18 years. So almost 1 a year, that's the remark John Oliver makes.

Feel free to fact check him. But seeing as how you didn't bother watching the videos to begin with, I'm not sure what you'll fact check.

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I don't have time to watch comedy shows, though I would blame you particularly for misquoting him.

My extra credit question still stands, as does my concern at the end of the post.

Republic Now! said:

I don't have time to watch comedy shows, though I would blame you particularly for misquoting him.

My extra credit question still stands, as does my concern at the end of the post.

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I never did other peoples' homework for them in my entire life and I'm not about to start now.
If you think the impact of gun control in preventing gun murders and mass shootings presented in the videos is bogus, feel free to debunk it.

Watch the videos if you want to have a debate and see that the concerns were in Australia the same as they were in the USA. The gun ownership was high in australia as it is in the USA. And the regulation is sensible and has done immense good for society. Gun crime dropped and no mass shootings since 1996.

Rainman05 said:

I never did other peoples' homework for them in my entire life and I'm not about to start now.
If you think the impact of gun control in preventing gun murders and mass shootings presented in the videos is bogus, feel free to debunk it.

Watch the videos if you want to have a debate and see that the concerns were in Australia the same as they were in the USA. The gun ownership was high in australia as it is in the USA. And the regulation is sensible and has done immense good for society. Gun crime dropped and no mass shootings since 1996.

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Why do you repeat this lie which you yourself refuted?

Fine, I'll save you time then. Australia has never had the problem with mass killings that America has had, and therefore the results of their solution is useless to us.

Republic Now! said:

Why do you repeat this lie which you yourself refuted?

Fine, I'll save you time then. Australia has never had the problem with mass killings that America has had, and therefore the results of their solution is useless to us.

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Ok. America is special. There is nothing america can do to cut down on gun violence. It's doomed to over 10k gun murders a year and school shootings galore.
Cheers.

Paschendale said:

I've always wondered how someone can reconcile American exceptionalism with our violence and crime. An American is between 15 and 20 times (depending on which countries you count) as likely to be killed in a mass shooting than other industrialized nations. We imprison 10 times as much of our population as those same nations. What is it about Americans that makes us so much more brutal and violent than other countries? This kind of thing doesn't happen nearly as often in these other nations, so what makes us such worse people compared to our European neighbors? Or maybe we're not fundamentally different, but we're dumb enough to fill our society with deadly weapons and then act surprised when people use them?

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That sounds exceptional to me.

Rainman05 said:

Australia banned guns and they haven't had a single mass shooting in 14 years straight. Just saying. And if you look at john olivers' show he addresses this issue.

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Australia doesn't have hundreds of millions of guns (only 600,000 were bought by the government), an enshrined right to guns, a culture built around guns, or a massive land border with a third world country over which guns could be smuggled.

While gun control can work, Australia and the US do not have enough similarities to apply the lesson of one to the other.

Republic Now! said:

Why do you repeat this lie which you yourself refuted?

Fine, I'll save you time then. Australia has never had the problem with mass killings that America has had, and therefore the results of their solution is useless to us.

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That's not why it's useless. We had roughly 2 mass shootings each year prior to the gun ban in 1996. We've had one since.

Threegoofs said:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
NEWS IN BRIEF •

May 27, 2014

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as 'helpless'.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

It's hilarious. Except for all the dead and maimed people.

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There are people all over the world who take out their inner anger and demons on those around them using whatever weapon is convenient to their circumstances. Terrorists using IEDs and suicide bombers all over the Middle East, a student in Calgary using a knife, anarchists in Japan using poison gas on subways, a Nazi fan in Scandinavia shooting up a student retreat, etc. etc.

America doesn't have a monopoly on this type of outburst.

spud_meister said:

That's not why it's useless. We had roughly 2 mass shootings each year prior to the gun ban in 1996. We've had one since.

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Well, I could certainly argue against the effectiveness of Australia's legislation, starting with comparing the baseline numbers of a nation of 26 million with a nation over 10x the size. Assuming the number of 14 in the last 18 years, there would need to be over 140 mass shootings in America to be statistically comparable.

Of course, I wouldn't imply those numbers are useful as I don't think comparison of baseline numbers is useful. Nonetheless, that's what the comparison would require.

Rainman05 said:

Ok. America is special. There is nothing america can do to cut down on gun violence. It's doomed to over 10k gun murders a year and school shootings galore.
Cheers.

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Oh, so you lie about Australia solving the problem to sell your political agenda and when I call you out on it, it's because I don't want to solve the problem? Interesting perspective.

As stated above, your baseline number comparison is useless. In order for your comparison to be sound, you would need to weigh for population by a factor of ten, using your own number, requiring 140 mass killings in America in the past 18 years. The number is closer to half that in the past 30 years.

Republic Now! said:

Well, I could certainly argue against the effectiveness of Australia's legislation, starting with comparing the baseline numbers of a nation of 26 million with a nation over 10x the size. Assuming the number of 14 in the last 18 years, there would need to be over 140 mass shootings in America to be statistically comparable.

Of course, I wouldn't imply those numbers are useful as I don't think comparison of baseline numbers is useful. Nonetheless, that's what the comparison would require.

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According to this, there's been 187 mass shootings in the US since 2006(vs. none in Australia). I can't find data for any later.

However, there's enough extenuating factors to make the US and Australia incomparable regardless. What works in Australia will not work in the US.

Rainman05 said:

Australia banned guns and they haven't had a single mass shooting in 14 years straight. Just saying. And if you look at john olivers' show he addresses this issue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYbY45rHj8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVuspKSjfgA

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Brilliant videos :lol:

Guns aren't banned in Australia, but they are subject to
- criminal background check/licensing to own firearms
- individual registration for each gun by serial number
- safe keeping and storage requirements
- uniform regulations (more or less) between states
- tighter restrictions on more powerful weapons

So for example one can own a small-calibre pistol after six months' membership in a shooting club, various application formalities and ongoing occasional visits to the club, whereas few people (some government agents and a few occupational shooters) legally own automatic and semi-automatic rifles. Some 3-4% of Australians are licensed to own firearms, with some 3-4 registered guns per licensee (many of which presumably belong to shooting clubs).

Gun politics in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
SSAA - Handgun ownership facts in Australia
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia

Arguably our restrictions are a little tighter than may be strictly necessary. It's worth nothing that our overall homocide rate was already declining before 1996, and did not drastically drop after the tighter regulations were introduced.
Australian Institute of Criminology - Trends in violent crime

Republic Now! said:

Well, I could certainly argue against the effectiveness of Australia's legislation, starting with comparing the baseline numbers of a nation of 26 million with a nation over 10x the size. Assuming the number of 14 in the last 18 years, there would need to be over 140 mass shootings in America to be statistically comparable.

Of course, I wouldn't imply those numbers are useful as I don't think comparison of baseline numbers is useful. Nonetheless, that's what the comparison would require.

Oh, so you lie about Australia solving the problem to sell your political agenda and when I call you out on it, it's because I don't want to solve the problem? Interesting perspective.

As stated above, your baseline number comparison is useless. In order for your comparison to be sound, you would need to weigh for population by a factor of ten, using your own number, requiring 140 mass killings in America in the past 18 years. The number is closer to half that in the past 30 years.

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List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2010s
100 total as of 5/14/14


Australia had just 1 since 2000
Monash University shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one done by an asian immigrant in australia with mental problems resulting in 2 deaths and 5 injuries.

The USA averages 4-5 a year from 2000-2010
and apparently, look at 2010-2014. You can scroll down at 2013 and look on and on and on. They have 1 school shooting every 15 years. You have 1 every other month. How the hell can you justify this and resist some form of gun control? Most of these school shootings are done by unstable kids whose parents have guns in the house and don't bother keeping them under lock and key or outside the knowledge of children. These aren't guns taken from the black market.

You can't justify this as a sheer number of population. Australia has 20mil. USA has 300mil. 300/20 = 15. If it had been 15x then it would be justifiable, you'd have an argument. The USA has over 100x the school shooting rate of Australia. It's unjustifiable.

spud_meister said:

Australia doesn't have hundreds of millions of guns (only 600,000 were bought by the government), an enshrined right to guns, a culture built around guns, or a massive land border with a third world country over which guns could be smuggled.

While gun control can work, Australia and the US do not have enough similarities to apply the lesson of one to the other.

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You also have the best military on the planet and drone technology and sattelites and you're telling me you can't defend the border... please...