"No 'significant' amount of voter fraud" - - So exactly how much of this is there anyway?

[Shrink726]

Taking numbers from that well known radical left website, the Heritage Foundation, they found 1384 verified cases of "fraud" in the 2020 election.

As there were over 150M votes cast that translates into 0.000009% of the votes cast. And a closer look at what they counted as "fraud" included cases of "ballot petition fraud" and "illegal" assistance" at the polls." Not quite sure what those terms mean but even their numbers reveal that fraud in elections is a vanishingly tiny and utterly insignificant issue in any discussion of election integrity. And, of course, we don't know the ideological breakdown of these cases of verified fraud. Assuming a roughly 50/50 split, this results in a zero sum gain anyway.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

www.heritage.org

Then there is this report from PBS which found,
"Well, in the end, we found it was just shy of 475 potential cases of voter fraud in those six states, which would not have made a difference in the outcome of the 2020 presidential election."

Exhaustive fact check finds little evidence of voter fraud, but 2020's 'Big Lie' lives on

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475...

www.pbs.org

 

[NatMorton]

Taking numbers from that well known radical left website, the Heritage Foundation, they found verified cases of 1384 "fraud" in the 2020 election.

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

 

[Shrink726]

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

And had this election been determined by 1384 votes or less I'd be inclined to dig further into the ideological bent of those 1384 cases and whether or not they effected any outcome. As it turns out, the election was pretty much a landslide for Biden.

And, BTW, no one is saying that these cases of fraud shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

 

[Mithrae]

Ballot integrity matters.

Obviously not to the president, congresspeople, rioters and their supporters who tried to overturn the entire election based on lies.

 

[Logician Man]

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

How about the "integrity" of a defeated, outgoing POTUS 'peacefully' transferring Executive power to a duly POTUS-Elect at the time specified per the U.S. Constitution? Equally as important as "Ballot integrity"?

 

[NatMorton]

And had this election been determined by 1384 votes or less I'd be inclined to dig further into the ideological bent of those 1384 cases and whether or not they effected any outcome. As it turns out, the election was pretty much a landslide for Biden.

And, BTW, no one is saying that these cases of fraud shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

The point is that you want ballot integrity in place before a handful of votes decides an election, not after.

 

[NatMorton]

Obviously not to the president, congresspeople, rioters and their supporters who tried to overturn the entire election based on lies.

I agree.

 

[NatMorton]

How about the "integrity" of a defeated, outgoing POTUS 'peacefully' transferring Executive power to a duly POTUS-Elect at the time specified per the U.S. Constitution? Equally as important as "Ballot integrity"?

How about it?

 

[Shrink726]

The point is that you want ballot integrity in place before a handful of votes decides an election, not after.

I'd say that an incidence of election fraud of one millionth of one percent is pretty damn impressive.

 

[OrphanSlug]

There was not enough fraud to change the outcome of the Presidential election, not even close.

But that will not stop FoxNews, OANN, NewsMax, TownHall, and dozens of others fanning the flames of Conspiracy Theory.

 

[dmpi]

Nobody's stealing the election but in this day and age of high tech computers we can and should count better than that.

 

[CaughtInThe]

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

Did Biden win the last election?

 

[washunut]

Taking numbers from that well known radical left website, the Heritage Foundation, they found 1384 verified cases of "fraud" in the 2020 election.

As there were over 150M votes cast that translates into 0.000009% of the votes cast. And a closer look at what they counted as "fraud" included cases of "ballot petition fraud" and "illegal" assistance" at the polls." Not quite sure what those terms mean but even their numbers reveal that fraud in elections is a vanishingly tiny and utterly insignificant issue in any discussion of election integrity. And, of course, we don't know the ideological breakdown of these cases of verified fraud. Assuming a roughly 50/50 split, this results in a zero sum gain anyway.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

www.heritage.org

Then there is this report from PBS which found,
"Well, in the end, we found it was just shy of 475 potential cases of voter fraud in those six states, which would not have made a difference in the outcome of the 2020 presidential election."

Exhaustive fact check finds little evidence of voter fraud, but 2020's 'Big Lie' lives on

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475...

www.pbs.org

Just wondering do you think there has ever been a presidential election with zero fraud. Did this group look at all 150 million ballots and go through all the steps necessary to say the vote was proper.

Look I feel that national politics by both parties is a game to win by any means. Did JFK's dad work with the mafia in Chicago? Did Jeb Bush and the Supreme Court help Bush II? I think yes in both instances. The point is both parties will do whatever to win. The difference here is that the loser refused to play by the rules of the game. Which is the loser goes home and the game continues.

Here is another one. Some (myself included) would call voter suppression a type of voter fraud. So here is an example where most elections have an element of voter fraud.

 

[BlueTex]

Nobody's stealing the election but in this day and age of high tech computers we can and should count better than that.

Agreed... We need a FEDERAL standard for both registration and voting for federal elections. Let's cut the bullshit and have federal elections decided by the SAME rules nationwide.

 

[TheParser]

Did JFK's dad work with the mafia in Chicago?

Some non-hysterical observers do believe that a few questionable changes in Illinois and Texas did throw the election to JFK.

Richard M. Nixon refused to contest the results for the sake of the nation, it is said.

*****

With millions and millions of paper ballots flowing into the counting centers (many of them in key cities where the people -- including the election workers -- were not exactly in love with DJT, it is possible that some rigging occurred. Unlike Nixon, Trump was not prepared to play the role of the good sport. In retrospect, he should have congratulated Biden, invited the Bidens to the White House, and attended the Inauguration with a big forced smile. Then he should have quietly worked with interested parties to investigate the accuracy of the vote.

 

[noonereal]

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

LOL and we all knew the fix was in from the start didn't we? Be honest.

 

[BlueTex]

1384? Need we be reminded that the 2000 Presidential election swung on a mere 567 votes cast in the state of Florida?

Ballot integrity matters.

Of course, that is ONLY true because of the electoral college...

 

[Razoo]

Heritage Foundation is if my memory serves me well is owned and funded by ALEC the most significant
pusher of of voter suppression and Fascism in the USA. ALEC owns and funds several such websites.

 

[Razoo]

Of course, that is ONLY true because of the electoral college...

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Hillary Clinton had 3 million more popular votes than did Trump ..............

 

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Taking numbers from that well known radical left website, the Heritage Foundation, they found 1384 verified cases of "fraud" in the 2020 election.

As there were over 150M votes cast that translates into 0.000009% of the votes cast. And a closer look at what they counted as "fraud" included cases of "ballot petition fraud" and "illegal" assistance" at the polls." Not quite sure what those terms mean but even their numbers reveal that fraud in elections is a vanishingly tiny and utterly insignificant issue in any discussion of election integrity. And, of course, we don't know the ideological breakdown of these cases of verified fraud. Assuming a roughly 50/50 split, this results in a zero sum gain anyway.

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map

The Heritage Foundation's Election Fraud Map is an interactive tool providing a sampling of proven instances of election fraud across the U.S. From @HeritageDataviz

www.heritage.org

Then there is this report from PBS which found,
"Well, in the end, we found it was just shy of 475 potential cases of voter fraud in those six states, which would not have made a difference in the outcome of the 2020 presidential election."

Exhaustive fact check finds little evidence of voter fraud, but 2020's 'Big Lie' lives on

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475...

www.pbs.org

A thread debunking "the voting is rigged," and early on a Sunday morning? I mean, who does that?

As usual, all of their grievances influence them to seek relief that cannot be granted because there is no substance to them.
So, they reshape what they have the power to, to relieve their illegitimate grievances.

32 states enacted post 2020 voting legislation predicated on Trump's "Big Lie," 53 percent of G.O.P. candidates currently running for office are election deniers.

Conservatives, give it up. After Trump stole the election from our beloved Queen in 2016 we made sure we never lose another election again. We control the polls, the media and the judges and now have the most extensive voter fraud system in the world fully under our control. There will never be another GOP majority. Get over it.
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[washunut]

Hillary Clinton had 3 million more popular votes than did Trump ..............

Again, that is not how the game is scored. Sort of like saying team A got more hits why do you say Team B won. Just because they scored more runs?

 

[Razoo]

Hillary Clinton had 3 million more popular votes than did Trump ..............

Which is a perfect example of why the Electoral College must go .............

Al Gore had more popular votes than GW Bush .......... another perfect example why the Electoral College must go.

 

[Shrink726]

Heritage Foundation is if my memory serves me well is owned and funded by ALEC the most significant
pusher of of voter suppression and Fascism in the USA. ALEC owns and funds several such websites.

I know.

That's why I thought it was particularly telling to use their numbers.

 

[BlueTex]

Left unsaid by those on the right, the impact of any voter fraud is diminished the higher the turnout...

 

[NatMorton]

LOL and we all knew the fix was in from the start didn't we? Be honest.

How could the "fix" be in if voter fraud doesn't exist?