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(please read and imagine this in a southern "country", "matter of fact" tone. Taking time for slight dramatic pauses between periods and increases in volume to the parts of import)Of COURSE its relevant. Reasonable force was used to take down an individual that was resisting arrest. The responding officers didnt beat him, taze him, or pepper spray him. The 'choke hold' which was used to take him to the ground was released once he was on the ground. He did not die of being choked to death. He did not die of a loss oxygen due to an applied choke hold. He died of a heart attack caused by the physical exertion from the event. Had he not resisted arrest, he would be here alive today enjoying cheeseburgers and cigarettes. Granted he would still be one time tying his shoes away from a heart attack, but he would most likely be alive today.
A grand jury decided the cops actions did not meet criteria for trial. So...I guess we are all god then what with the circumstances and all. Right?
Lesson...dont fight cops. He should have known better...after all, he DID have 30 opportunities to get the memo.
But realistically, what happened before shouldn't matter. Garner wasn't being violent, yet the police officers reacted violently. He could have been a drug dealing human trafficker, it doesn't matter. The police don't have the right to be violent against anyone unless the situation warrants it. The fact that Garner didn't do anything only makes this more of a tragedy and a travesty of justice.
You are referring to the ME who ruled it a homicide, yes...?And the same coroner said that his medical issues were contributing factors in his death.
It's all over the place, dude.
The Medical Examiner’s Office ruled his death a homicide caused by “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.”
Even Breitbart reported this bit. The Actual Facts of The Eric Garner Case
This is the ME who ruled it a homicide, right...?
So then why did the Grand Jury ignore all of that?
(By the way, I never knew people could utter 11 sentences while being choked to death).
Choke holds are a lethal move. They kill people. They are chokes. They directly affect the circulatory system. Fat people are known to have weak hearts. This man was choked.
Of COURSE its relevant. Reasonable force was used to take down an individual that was resisting arrest. The responding officers didnt beat him, taze him, or pepper spray him. The 'choke hold' which was used to take him to the ground was released once he was on the ground. He did not die of being choked to death. He did not die of a loss oxygen due to an applied choke hold. He died of a heart attack caused by the physical exertion from the event. Had he not resisted arrest, he would be here alive today enjoying cheeseburgers and cigarettes. Granted he would still be one time tying his shoes away from a heart attack, but he would most likely be alive today.
A grand jury decided the cops actions did not meet criteria for trial. So...I guess we are all god then what with the circumstances and all. Right?
Lesson...dont fight cops. He should have known better...after all, he DID have 30 opportunities to get the memo.
Clearly, you've never seen anyone hyperventilate or have a panic attack.
Exactly!
Add to it the fact that the coroner even listed Garner's death as a "homicide"; that alone should have warranted a jury trial.
He was just fine before they put him in a choke hold and compressed his chest.
It didn't help that they neglected to revive him for several minutes after he lost consciousness. Got a good way to dispense with that form of negligence, too?
Unfortunately it wasn't a gang of muggers that jumped him with a stranglehold while others threw him to the ground crushing him to take his wallet, rather than a group of police officers trying to get money from him claiming he had gotten some from selling cigarettes.
If this had been a gang who was doing these exact same things: 1.) other people might have come to his aid, 2.) the officers who were otherwise standing around have come to his aid and 3.) the EMTs might have done CPR.
Sadly, Mr. Garner wasn't attacked by a street gang. He was attacked by the police - which meant he was alone, unprotected, with no rights, it certain no one would help him and his death a certainty.
If this had been an identical street gang attack, he'd be alive today.
Neck compression implies he was choked to death. He wasnt. Chest compression implies someone impaired heart or lung function that killed him. It didnt happen. His heart was beating and he was breathing when they put him in the ambulance. An educated guess would be that he wasstill experiencing a heart attack at the time and that is what eventually killed him. A heart attack because he was morbidly obese, had an enlarged heart and organs, and his body failed him. It will be good for them to actually release the ME report.
Dude? The ME ruled it a homicide, and explicitly cited compression of the neck, chest and being held in a prone position. How can you not know that?
I have. But this wasn't a panic attack or hyperventilation.
No, it was a chockhold. It is 100% known how a chockhold works - and has been repeatedly posted on these threads.
A chockhold cuts off/reduces oxygen to the brain. In self defense, the brain - which requires more oxygen than any other organ and is more quickly and permanently damaged without it - immediately reduces all other body functions - including cutting the heart rate and breathing rate from 50 to 65% - meaning the person isn't getting enough oxygen.
That is when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" It wasn't because his lungs couldn't get oxygen or that his windpipe was blocked. It was blood was significantly reduced and his brain was trying to save itself and him. This would have been worsened by the 150+ weight on his back.
When the officer released his hold, Garner's heart rate would have instantly soared to a massive level of blood pressure - the brain now trying to get oxygen to it and the rest of his entire body.
That's how chockholds kill people. That officer might as well have stuck a police taser in the center of Mr. Garner's heart.
And then the police worshippers would be posting 1,000 times "yeah, but a tough man like ME could have taken a taser in the heart - chocke me, throw me to concrete, pile all the weight and stress on me you want - as I sit in this arm chair eating cheetos I assure you I could take anything anyone throws at me!"
In addition to cop worship, the other fear behind their messages is the covert declaring how they have the body of a gymnast.
Armchair macho old men bragging about how tough they are and sneering at Mr. Garner because he is obese. Hater's got to hate. It makes them feel superior somehow.
“I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves," Pantaleo said. "It is never my intention to harm anyone".
That's an odd thing to say after using an illegal choke-hold on a New York citizen who eventually died from Pantaleo's actions.
Why did he need arresting? Couldn't they just give him a ticket?
I think the question is... Would you have arrested Eric Garner for selling bootleg cigarettes? Was he actually that much of a threat to the community? According to certain people on this forum, he was a damn gang war waiting to happen. Think about it. A 40 year old guy selling cigarettes on a street corner was a turf war waiting to happen. :lol:
I wouldn't. There was no probable cause.
No, it was a chockhold. It is 100% known how a chockhold works - and has been repeatedly posted on these threads.
A chockhold cuts off/reduces oxygen to the brain. In self defense, the brain - which requires more oxygen than any other organ and is more quickly and permanently damaged without it - immediately reduces all other body functions - including cutting the heart rate and breathing rate from 50 to 65% - meaning the person isn't getting enough oxygen.
That is when Mr. Garner said "I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" It wasn't because his lungs couldn't get oxygen or that his windpipe was blocked. It was blood was significantly reduced and his brain was trying to save itself and him. This would have been worsened by the 150+ weight on his back.
When the officer released his hold, Garner's heart rate would have instantly soared to a massive level of blood pressure - the brain now trying to get oxygen to it and the rest of his entire body.
That's how chockholds kill people. That officer might as well have stuck a police taser in the center of Mr. Garner's heart.
And then the police worshippers would be posting 1,000 times "yeah, but a tough man like ME could have taken a taser in the heart - chocke me, throw me to concrete, pile all the weight and stress on me you want - as I sit in this arm chair eating cheetos I assure you I could take anything anyone throws at me!"
In addition to cop worship, the other fear behind their messages is the covert declaring how they have the body of a gymnast.
Armchair macho old men bragging about how tough they are and sneering at Mr. Garner because he is obese. Hater's got to hate. It makes them feel superior somehow.
Yes, and no. I see no mention of "prone position" and you excluded contributing factors also reported. AND you show an obvious lack of understanding autopsy reports in your retellings thus far.
(please read and imagine this in a southern "country", "matter of fact" tone. Taking time for slight dramatic pauses between periods and increases in volume to the parts of import)
Choke holds are a lethal move.... They kill people... They are chokes. They directly affect the circulatory system. Fat people are known to have weak hearts!.. This man was choked!!!
Again, you're just repeating the same old mischaracterizations and debunked info to avoid being wrong and painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as "police worshippers". Btw, has anyone on this thread among the so-called worshippers expressed the opinion that the officer who violated department policy should not be fired? That pretty much lays your attempt at repair of argument by painting the other fellow to rest.
The choke hold applied did NOT kill him. Read that in whatever dialect floats your boat.
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