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I don't know how the grand jury system works. And don't have the ambition to look into it. But I can absolutely assure you that not every prosecution requires a grand jury. As a matter of fact, if you remember Zimmerman, the DA was heartily criticized because she elected NOT to convene a grand jury.
Okay, here ya' go:
IOW, not every prosecution (in fact, few of them) require a grand jury.
Think a little deeper. Why was he there? What was he doing and what made it profitable? Why did others object? Why did the city make a repeat offense a felony? He was a repeat offender, at least from the allegations online. Why would it be a felony to sell cigarettes without a tax stamp? Who made those laws? Who hired so many police to enforce their laws?Just as it's not a Black/White thing, nor is it a Liberal versus Conservative thing. It's a man's inhumanity to man thing.
I hadn't really followed this case, but from what I've heard in the last day or so it seems to me that IF the actions of the police in this case did NOT equal a crime, then the law needs changed so it is.
Unless I totally misunderstood.
You are making unfounded allegations. In fact I would describe what you are doing as defaming the officers. A grand jury heard the testimony and brought no charges. So you are committing a serious civil offense.Because cigarette laws did not cause the police officers to use excessive force, in violation of their own police department's code of conduct.
Other than for the racists among us race was not an issue. There was no police brutality. Give the Grand Jury findings I believe a case could be made against you for slander.Right. Anything to avoid any racial aspect of the case, or recognition of police brutality.
Go suck an egg. Is there only one court in all of New York?
Do people from Pennsylvania get bussed in to review the prosecutor's evidence? You are the expert in New York Grand Juries. You tell me how they are selected in New York.
Your name was randomly selected from county voter registration lists and licensed motor vehicle operator lists for the State of New York.
Here, where I live, it is on a county basis, but one can also be called on a town basis.
And yes, it is comprised of citizens who live where you live.
Why? Any reason you are certain of that?
Ummm... so resisting the government's lawful actions is lawful? Lmao. Eh alright.
NYC taxes aren't bad. I'm paying more now that I live in suburban Suffolk than I did when I lived in the city. Though overall I do pay a boatload in taxes.
The policy in question was mayor Bloombergs if I recall. He's really a Republican.
Why do you suffer from such a limited view?Seriously? A New York cop chokes a low-level bad-behaviour perp and people should protest liberalism?
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It is not illegal to tell a cop to go **** himself.
I've seen the video. Garner was unarmed and non-violent. One of the officers used a choke hold. Another pushed his head into the ground, and sat on his back, compressing his chest.
The autopsy indicated that both of these were instrumental in causing Garner's cardiac arrest.
I also know that grand juries almost never decline to indict. It's not a system where evidence is challenged; it's almost always a mere formality. It certainly doesn't match the level of scrutiny of a full file.
But hey, why talk about police brutality and injustices of the courts, when we can bitch about taxes? :roll:
It’s Incredibly Rare For A Grand Jury To Do What Ferguson’s Just Did | FiveThirtyEight
If you argue with the police, they will send five men to take you down, put you in a chokehold, and take you by force?
here in the USA?
Not just in a dictatorship?
Holy crap. We already have a police state.
This video in particular shows enough to justify an indictment.
Officer Pantaleo hasn't had a trial.
It's a rubber stamp... unless a cop is involved. As a "check against tyranny," it's almost completely ineffectual.
Yeah, they can do that anyway. Hence, the infamous saying that any prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.
Stand down, laddybuck. Conservative resistance to tyranny will always be implied, low-key, case-by-case, lest powers they relish be removed from government. If you want a full-out armed rebellion against tyranny, you need liberals.
I see tyranny in this video but it wasn't being committed by Eric Garner.
Posting falsehoods is now your specialty, isn't it? Grand jurors aren't your neighbors. There will not be ONE grand juror that lived in Gardener's neighborhood. Gardener is poor. Being a grand juror us generally a treat given to older political supporters and social types for the experience of having done so.
This is one of the ugliest statements I have seen here. I think this deserves flagging.
I'm optimistic, but I'm going to play devils advocate and assume that the officer refuses to articulate the reasonable suspicion for detailing said suspect. What do you think should be done in response?
This is not about better... it's about right and wrong. Anyone with two eyes sees that a lack of indictment in Garners case was injustice. It had nothing to do with racists, it has nothing to do with going along with anyone... it's simple right and wrong. No indictment in Garners case was wrong.
If my views are irrelevant so are yours.
Do you believe cops should be able to decide which laws they enforce, and which ones they don't?
Yeah. They are your neighbors. They usually are citizens called from property tax records and voter registration rolls from the court district where the potential crime took place. In my case it is the entire county. In a big city with more than one court district you might have many grand juries going on at the same time.
Don't be cute or snotty. You are not that good at it.
And yet the grand jury did not find sufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime. So are you now making allegations against the district attorney, the prosecutor or the members of the grand jury? Other than your feelings what is your evidence?Been there done that. The level of evidence needed for a GJ is very low and the video by itself is enough to indict.
She did poorly by you then. Did she actually teach you that citizen control of the justice system is wrong if you disagree with a particular finding? Did she teach you to mistrust your neighbors when they are charged with reviewing evidence you have not seen and yet you disagree with them? Did she teach you to stamp your feet and demand mob rule if you disagree with a finding? Or are you hiding behind her skirt?Now your guessing my motives? :lamo Don't insult me.
This has nothing to do with revenge it has to do with right and wrong. Your mama didn't teach you that when you were little? Mine did.
And you talk about tyranny - that's ironic. The police and government who control the police are much more likely to be tyrannical than the citizen under them.
A grand jury reviewed the evidence. You reject their decision. You are becoming a tyrant. I wish you would see it and stop.I have to start wondering you and other who share your views disbelieve your own eyes. I don't want the cop locked up for murder - it was an obvious accident. I want a jury to review it and give their judgement. Not much to ask in the Garner case.
I wouldn't have.
Write him a ticket if he's doing something he shouldn't. Selling cigarettes isn't an arrestable offense.
You have become a total contradiction now. GJs are no safeguard against anything. 3 no-bills in 5 years out of 250,000 GJ presentations. And you claim GJs are a safeguard against unjustly being taken to trial.
I've noticed how often you debate yourself - give little mini lectures back and forth at yourself.
Way back the Perry Mason "examining trials" were a good thing, as were coroner's inquiries. Both were eliminated as they gave citizens a right to some say and defense prior to being put on trial was to costly and bothersome to the government. It is FAR easier to negotiate a plea bargain telling poor people who can't post to plea out or stay in jail a year waiting for trial.
The ENTIRE criminal justice system is built around forcing people to plea out. Rich people can fight. No one else really can.
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