From the list of contributing factors and his weight, yes he wasn't long for this earth.
So you wanted to kill him with Happy Meal instead of arresting him yet one more time?
It is only broken when you don't like the outcome. The reason you don't take everything directly to trial is the cost and time commitment and the chance of prosecutorial overreach.
Correct, I wanted to kill him with a happy meal. Thanks for playing.
What is wrong with adversarial?
Cross examination....why are you afraid of that?
So you are claiming that regardless of cop intervention, this dude would currently be dead. Not sure I would agree.
We have access to everything the DA did not present to the grand jury. Grand juries in NY do what the DA tells them. You message is naïve at best.
Moot point, you don't know that...and it has nothing to do with this.
He wouldn't be dead 14 minutes after the chokehold....if there wasn't a F'ing chokehold.
:roll:
No, if there was a fair trial with cross examination, then I'd abide by whatever outcome, because it would be heard in a fair trial.
So, a man's life isn't worth the cost of a trial?
How Soviet of you.
And what is that? Show me what you have that the GJ doesn't.
We have access to everything the DA did not present to the grand jury. Grand juries in NY do what the DA tells them. You message is naïve at best.
The point isn't to discuss the case or the actions of the police. The point is to create many what if scenarios and use them to justify the actions of the police.
Because it's not a process that yields the greatest evidence exposure to the jury. It only yields the evidence then competing attorneys think will help them win their case. Again, the grand jurors can question the witnesses.
But really, your question betrays that you still haven't bothered to learn and understand the process involved.
What was the GJ jury shown by the DA? Anything? Give the list and I'll show you what else I know.
GJs indict everyone a NY prosecutor tells them to and indict no one the prosecutor doesn't want indicted. That's just the statistical fact.
What if you presented those videos you claimed exist that fill in the missing piece of the arrest video? Still waiting.
I'd just hate to think you are making crap up to support your argument.
What if you presented those videos you claimed exist that fill in the missing piece of the arrest video? Still waiting
I'd just hate to think you are making crap up to support your argument.
Are you fracking serious? I'm not the one claiming that I have more information that the Grand Jury. If you don't know what information was given the grand jury, or withheld, then you can't claim you know more than they did.
No, you just keep posting the same crap about New York GJs, which has no semblance to reality. The GJ sees and hears only what the prosecutor tells them, can only consider charges the prosecutor brings up, only can read laws and rules the prosecutor reads to them, and only see or hear what the prosecutor wants them to hear and see.
Your presentation of what a GJ does and can do is - every time you post it - false and naïve. Your messages are your just posting over and over than anyone who a prosecutor says is guilty is guilty, and everyone a prosecutor says committed no crime didn't. It's that simple about NY grand juries.
Who says so includes judges of New York who claim grand juries should simply be eliminated as they serve no purpose whatsoever.
No, you just keep posting the same crap about New York GJs, which has no semblance to reality. The GJ sees and hears only what the prosecutor tells them, can only consider charges the prosecutor brings up, only can read laws and rules the prosecutor reads to them, and only see or hear what the prosecutor wants them to hear and see.
Your presentation of what a GJ does and can do is - every time you post it - false and naïve. Your messages are your just posting over and over than anyone who a prosecutor says is guilty is guilty, and everyone a prosecutor says committed no crime didn't. It's that simple about NY grand juries.
Who says so includes judges of New York who claim grand juries should simply be eliminated as they serve no purpose whatsoever.
No, you claimed the grand jury had more information than I do, proving none of that. What I proved is there was no filter between what I can learn, hear, read and see - and there was for the grand jury. It was not limited to what one person who didn't want a prosecution wanted me to see and hear.
The NY GJ system is 100% worthless, a scam, a waste, nothing. Why don't you read up on it rather than raving of the grand jury system?
Because it's not a process that yields the greatest evidence exposure to the jury. It only yields the evidence then competing attorneys think will help them win their case. Again, the grand jurors can question the witnesses.
But really, your question betrays that you still haven't bothered to learn and understand the process involved.
No, you claimed the grand jury had more information than I do, proving none of that. What I proved is there was no filter between what I can learn, hear, read and see - and there was for the grand jury. It was not limited to what one person who didn't want a prosecution wanted me to see and hear.
The NY GJ system is 100% worthless, a scam, a waste, nothing. Why don't you read up on it rather than raving of the grand jury system?
In fact, the public has MORE access to information than the grand jury did, because there was no prosecutor's filter and censorship.
No its not if there isn't enough evidence to show that a crime was committed. By your logic we should also put the ER doctors and nurses that treated Eric Garner on trial because their may have been criminal malpractice... forget that there is no evidence of medical malpractice, isn't a man's life worth a trial?!
What if you presented those videos you claimed exist that fill in the missing piece of the arrest video? Still waiting.
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