No Honest Libertarian Could Ever Support Stinking Trump

[H. E. Panqui]

...despite what the phony little republican dweeb, rand paul, says, donald trump is despised by honest libertarians...

Trump Makes An Explicit Pitch to Anti-War Libertarians

Trump saying he wants to end the war in Afghanistan is a good thing. It would be better if he followed through on his rhetoric.

reason.com

"...When Trump was inaugurated in 2017, there were already about 8,500 troops in Afghanistan. Within a few months of being in office, the president had announced a troop surge, eventually increasing the number of military personnel in the country to 14,000 by 2018. At the end of 2019, troop levels were still hovering around 12,000.

During that time, the Trump administration also escalated America's air war in the country. Last year, the U.S. dropped more bombs on Afghanistan than any year in at least a decade. The February peace deal inked the Taliban hasn't stopped the U.S. from performing airstrikes.

The Trump administration, for all its talk of ending the war in Afghanistan, also has yet to commit to pulling all U.S. troops out of the country. "I don't think there's anyone who believes we'll be at zero by the end of the year," a senior administration official told NBC News.

That leaves little daylight between Trump's position and Joe Biden's. The Democratic candidate for president has said that he'd like to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan while still leaving behind a residual counter-terrorism force of 1,500 to 2,000 at most.

That the president says he wants to end the war in Afghanistan is a good thing. That he hasn't yet done it despite being in office for almost four years is what actually matters.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...it's tough to get republicrat cheerleaders to talk about 'foreign policy'...

...it is obvious why: ...'neither side' [two sides of the same stinking bank$ter coin] can score any political points because it's obvious there is no important difference between the hideou$, secret-$quirrel, policie$ of either bank$ter-puppet, warmongering, foreign-intervening, world-policing, arms dealing, spying, etc., party... ugh...

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

...despite what the phony little republican dweeb, rand paul, says, donald trump is despised by honest libertarians...

Trump Makes An Explicit Pitch to Anti-War Libertarians

Trump saying he wants to end the war in Afghanistan is a good thing. It would be better if he followed through on his rhetoric.

reason.com

"...When Trump was inaugurated in 2017, there were already about 8,500 troops in Afghanistan. Within a few months of being in office, the president had announced a troop surge, eventually increasing the number of military personnel in the country to 14,000 by 2018. At the end of 2019, troop levels were still hovering around 12,000.

During that time, the Trump administration also escalated America's air war in the country. Last year, the U.S. dropped more bombs on Afghanistan than any year in at least a decade. The February peace deal inked the Taliban hasn't stopped the U.S. from performing airstrikes.

The Trump administration, for all its talk of ending the war in Afghanistan, also has yet to commit to pulling all U.S. troops out of the country. "I don't think there's anyone who believes we'll be at zero by the end of the year," a senior administration official told NBC News.

That leaves little daylight between Trump's position and Joe Biden's. The Democratic candidate for president has said that he'd like to reduce the number of troops in Afghanistan while still leaving behind a residual counter-terrorism force of 1,500 to 2,000 at most.

That the president says he wants to end the war in Afghanistan is a good thing. That he hasn't yet done it despite being in office for almost four years is what actually matters.

I don't understand libertarians, period.

COVID-19 has proven beyond a doubt that you need a strong central government to manage national emergencies.

Trump has tested the weak national government libertarian theory of government during COVID-19 and it's been an abysmal failure.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

I don't understand libertarians, period.

COVID-19 has proven beyond a doubt that you need a strong central government to manage national emergencies.

Trump has tested the weak national government libertarian theory of government during COVID-19 and it's been an abysmal failure.

...you can't understand why libertarians don't support US gov. warmongering, foreign intervention, world policemanship, etc. ad nau$eam?.... shame on you...

...ime, many 'libertarians' support the notion of 'quarantine' during periods of deadly diseases, etc...

...you seem confident in your assessments of 'the on-going covid 19 crisis'... i'm guessing what both of us understand/know about covid 19 will be radically different in a year or two...

 

[Kurmugeon]

Says the dishonest leftie...

Consider the source, ignore and move on.

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[dex4974]

Says the dishonest leftie...

Consider the source, ignore and move on.

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Reason - Bias and Credibility

RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words

mediabiasfactcheck.com

This outlet has a significant right lean.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Says the dishonest leftie...

Consider the source, ignore and move on.

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...put away that old foolish 'left-right dichotomy'... as to the mo$t important thing$ there isn't a stinking dimes difference between your righties and lefties... [right and left hand puppet$...]

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

...you can't understand why libertarians don't support US gov. warmongering, foreign intervention, world policemanship, etc. ad nau$eam?.... shame on you...

...ime, many 'libertarians' support the notion of 'quarantine' during periods of deadly diseases, etc...

...you seem confident in your assessments of 'the on-going covid 19 crisis'... i'm guessing what both of us understand/know about covid 19 will be radically different in a year or two...

No political party supports those things. We have stupid politicians, especially on the Republican side, that allow those things to happen.

If you look at the Democratic Pary Platform, I doubt it states "we support never ending wars" or "we believe in being the world's policeman".

 

[Ikari]

I don't understand libertarians, period.

COVID-19 has proven beyond a doubt that you need a strong central government to manage national emergencies.

Trump has tested the weak national government libertarian theory of government during COVID-19 and it's been an abysmal failure.

No, he didn't test a "libertarian theory" there. He tested a completely incapable and incompetent theory there. Not quite the same.

But Clinton bombed the bejesus out of people, Obama carried on Bush's Infinity War, so it's not like the Democrats are out of the war game. Big War is good for the Friends of Government and both sides tend to support it.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

No, he didn't test a "libertarian theory" there. He tested a completely incapable and incompetent theory there. Not quite the same.

But Clinton bombed the bejesus out of people, Obama carried on Bush's Infinity War, so it's not like the Democrats are out of the war game. Big War is good for the Friends of Government and both sides tend to support it.

So how would a libertarian government respond to COVID-19? I'm just curious. Most libertarians that I've seen on this board don't believe government institutions like the CDC, FEMA, and HHS are necessary, so I'm not sure how a libertarian would respond to COVID-19.

 

[Ikari]

So how would a libertarian government respond to COVID-19? I'm just curious. Most libertarians that I've seen on this board don't believe government institutions like the CDC, FEMA, and HHS are necessary, so I'm not sure how a libertarian would respond to COVID-19.

There's a lot the federal government can do to facilitate a coherent response among the many states and resources to arrange for equipment to go to the correct places and facilitate a larger level of communication between states to coordinate a national response while leaving particulars to the States themselves. Trump did none of this, in fact he worked against coordinated efforts and communication to stir up anger, resentment, and division.

 

[CaughtInThe]

no real Christian could either.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

There's a lot the federal government can do to facilitate a coherent response among the many states and resources to arrange for equipment to go to the correct places and facilitate a larger level of communication between states to coordinate a national response while leaving particulars to the States themselves. Trump did none of this, in fact he worked against coordinated efforts and communication to stir up anger, resentment, and division.

Yes, I know. But I don't know what a libertarian would do differently than Trump, especially since libertarians don't seem to care about the government institutions that I just mentioned.

If you don't have critical government emergency services in place (i.e. libertarian preference), then the response to a national emergency is not going to be much different than a total ****ing incompetent idiot's response (i.e. Donald J. Trump).

 

[Ikari]

Yes, I know. But I don't know what a libertarian would do differently than Trump, especially since libertarians don't seem to care about the government institutions that I just mentioned.

If you don't have critical government emergency services in place (i.e. libertarian preference), then the response to a national emergency is not going to be much different than a total ****ing incompetent idiot's response (i.e. Donald J. Trump).

There's nothing wrong with organizations such as the CDC and such, so long as duties and powers remain clearly defined and limited. A national emergency cannot, for instance, last forever; end dates need to be incorporated as quickly as possible. The libertarian view of government is not that it should be ineffective or paralyzed from acting in response to a massive threat against rights and life. So it has a proper role in in responding to the pandemic. Just as libertarians would say that government has a role to play in policing crimes against the rights of others or invasion from foreign enemies.

I think that too much gets generalize when libertarians attack established bureaucracies which seize too much power or put too many regulations in place that prevent functional adaptability and competition. The FDA isn't bad in theory, but in practice operates with too heavy a hand and many of its regulations hindered response to the Covid crisis in the beginning. So having these institutions isn't necessarily against libertarian thought, but libertarians would want their stated powers to be clearly defined and limited, and when in need of emergency response to ensure that response is properly directed and comes with an end date. A national emergency isn't call for the government to open up its wish list of power grabs and regulation.

Trump paralyzed the federal government's response, libertarians wouldn't paralyze it. But put into effect directed efforts aimed solely at the problem at hand and give parameters through which those directed efforts may end.