AgentM
Comrade from Canuckistan!
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I'm more curious about why he didn't investigate other provinces, and went right to the U.S. Even though he carries a health card for NL, that card could still be used in other provinces. Plus he is a Premier... I'm sure that has to get him some access.
My feeling is that he just wanted the best of the best, who happens to reside in the U.S. It's the political forces which are trying to make this a statement of values about either country's health care.
Hey, I think America has the best health care system too.
The Prof said:no comment
I can't believe that nobody in this thread gets it.
The Premier of Newfoundland is a robot.
He's returning home for a routine maintenance procedure.
If you think that's absurd, ask yourself how many of the people spanking on Canada's health care this thread:
- Could put their finger on Newfoundland on an unmarked globe if someone put a gun to their head
- Could name the Premier of NL even five minutes after reading this thread
Yeah, that's right, he's a robot!
I can't believe that nobody in this thread gets it.
The Premier of Newfoundland is a robot.
He's returning home for a routine maintenance procedure.
If you think that's absurd, ask yourself how many of the people spanking on Canada's health care this thread:
- Could put their finger on Newfoundland on an unmarked globe if someone put a gun to their head
- Could name the Premier of NL even five minutes after reading this thread
Yeah, that's right, he's a robot!
Yup, soo many of the American conservatives who love to comment on Canadian health care don't actually know much of anything about my country. It's kinda sad!
Oh, don't feel so bad. Americans (in general) like do that with everybody else's business. :mrgreen:
The devil is in the details.The US healthcare system may not be the best, but we have the highest quality in the world. Cancer patients live and survive longer in the US than in any other nation on earth.
The problem isn't the quality, it's the access.We are also a leading nation when it comes to research and the quality of care is superior. I do support some form of universal healthcare (definitely not what the Dems or most European nations have). But still, when compared to quality America is #1.
The devil is in the details.
That figure is based on the successful treatment of cancer. However not all cases in the US recieve treatment. In countries with UHC, all cases recieve treatment regardless. As a result those with the worst prognosis may throw the figures.
Secondly, that is only one area where there is a marked difference.
The problem isn't the quality, it's the access.
Yup, soo many of the American conservatives who love to comment on Canadian health care don't actually know much of anything about my country. It's kinda sad!
I don't know of many people that don't receive treatment.
:violin:violin:violin
Why do you think the premier is choosing to seek care in America?
If we had universal care, then where would the poor man go? India?
More likely, in their minds they equate most of those things to "best health care".Because it is an individual choice and people choose the DUMMEST reasons for the hospital they want. I work in health care and I have heard some of the following
That is the only hospital my doctor goes to
They have nice food (yeah well you will be having gut surgery and Nil by mouth almost the entire time but enjoy!)
Better class of people
But I like the decor there (yeah but I have seen the resus trolley and you would stand a better chance out at Thargarmindah!
I can get a private room (but that means you will not have the oversight you get in shared rooms)
Best health care is actually LAST on most people's list
More likely, in their minds they equate most of those things to "best health care".
My personal experience with American health care seems to be in direct opposition to your cheery rose-glasses view. And there are many other horror stories like that all over.
One could say the opposite as well: The private system is more likely to provide customers with their needed length of time in care, and the public system is more likely to kick them out before they should be. The difference, IMO, is that a private system could more easily be held accountable for using the incorrect procedure (perhaps keeping a patient in bed when they should be moving, or the opposite), while a public system, as a arm of the government, has all of the government's power behind it, and thus is less likely to be held accountable for mistakes. Sure, you could build a punishment system into a public system, but bureaucracies protect their own if at all possible.Unfortunately they do - but best health care is about what you need not what you want.
You might WANT to stay in bed for a week after surgery but what you NEED is to get up and get moving. The private system is likely to provide wants because the customers keep coming back then. The public system is more likely to provide needs because they DON'T want people coming back - or staying longer
One could say the opposite as well: The private system is more likely to provide customers with their needed length of time in care, and the public system is more likely to kick them out before they should be. The difference, IMO, is that a private system could more easily be held accountable for using the incorrect procedure (perhaps keeping a patient in bed when they should be moving, or the opposite), while a public system, as a arm of the government, has all of the government's power behind it, and thus is less likely to be held accountable for mistakes. Sure, you could build a punishment system into a public system, but bureaucracies protect their own if at all possible.
I can't believe that nobody in this thread gets it.
The Premier of Newfoundland is a robot.
He's returning home for a routine maintenance procedure.
If you think that's absurd, ask yourself how many of the people spanking on Canada's health care this thread:
- Could put their finger on Newfoundland on an unmarked globe if someone put a gun to their head
- Could name the Premier of NL even five minutes after reading this thread
Yeah, that's right, he's a robot!
True.You could make the exact opposite argument, that the government is more accountable than private corporations.
wait times have become such a (political) problem in maple leaf land the various govts of ottawa and the provinces have spent years and billions addressing them, yet wait times persist
here, the canadian wait times alliance makes its famous recommendations:
Canadian Wait Times Alliance Urges Speed in Reducing Health Care Wait Times in Canada
here's a promise to establish wait times guarantees by 2010
Wait Times Guarantees for Health Care in Canada - Provincial Health Wait Times Guarantees
here's manitoba's registry of wait times by procedure, most of the provinces post similar lists
About.com: http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/waitlist/index.html
here's an index of the various registries by province
Wait Times for Health Care in Canada - Provincial Data on Wait Times for Health Care in Canada
the "brain drain" is another issue above the parallel, medical professionals fleeing the country to practice their services elsewhere---here's the cma's report on the subject, admittedly published a few years ago
How bad is the brain drain? -- Gray 161 (8): 1028 -- Canadian Medical Association Journal
here's an update, 2007
Managing physician shortages: We are not doing enough -- Busing 176 (8): 1057 -- Canadian Medical Association Journal
no comment
It isn't free, unless no one pays taxes in Canada...Wait times in the U.S. are just as bad if not worse, and you end up paying for it yourself. I'd rather wait to be seen for a few hours and get free care, than wait for a few hours and pay $2,000.
No one said Canada's system is perfect, but it's free to the public and the quality is just fine.
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