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I already defended my position adequately, IMO. You seem to be the lone hold out here, so I guess the jury is hung...
My position doesn't appeal to popularity. Of course it's more emotionally acceptable to show sympathy for the little girl who hung herself in the closet. Justice, however, doesn't predicate itself on what is emotionally acceptable.
The jury has been dismissed, no point in continuing the debate...
I'm sure the press will grant interviews to the lone holdout. :2wave:
What are they being charged with? Harassment?
This is stupid. Yeah what they did is probably illegal but she chose to let it get to her and made the decision to kill herself. It's her fault alone that she chose to kill herself and not theirs.
(Not commenting on the statutory rape charge BTW since the article didn't say much about it.)
I, for one, am glad they are prosecuting these young people for their criminal behavior. The school that they all attended should have taken strong action against them long before it came to this.
I think that young people should follow the same laws as adults. I think schools should not tolerate criminal activity on school grounds. I think the school officials should also, in some way, be called to task.
FOXNews.com - Nine Charged in Bullying of Massachusetts Teen Who Killed Herself
Wow, amazing. I happen to have a 15 yr old daughter. Whenever we watch a movie depicting nasty high school girls, she always informs me how unrealistic that is, that it never happens at her school.
I thank God she attends a school where this sort of stuff doesn't occur.
No you can't...but I haven't heard anything beyond the rape that would justify prosecuting kids for being kids.
I mean, who hasn't heard someone called a slut in high school or seen others get in to brief scraps in the hall. And everyone knows there was always that one kid who drew the taunts of everyone else and that kid usually grows up to be the most handsome and successful at 30.
I am just saying...hanging herself in a closet...I doubt thats because she got called a slut and had a can thrown at her from a passing car. It just seems so sensationalized.
I agree. Suicide just shirks your pain off onto the people that care about you; the only ethical thing to do is to keep the pain to yourself and endure it in silence. Just think of all the suffering this girl could have spared her family, if only she had learned to endure more pain. Pity she turned to suicide instead of drugs.Khayembii Communique said:Suicide is one of the most selfish things you can do; it harms everybody that loves and cares about you infinitely more profoundly than it does yourself, because they have to live with it.
What she did to her family was infinitely worse than what those "bullies" did to her.
"The investigation revealed relentless activity directed toward Phoebe designed to humiliate her and to make it impossible for her to remain at school," District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel said.
"The bullying, for her, became intolerable."
Students said Phoebe was called "Irish slut" and "whore" on Twitter, Craigslist, Facebook and Formspring.
Her books were routinely knocked out of her hands, items were flung at her, her face was scribbled out of photographs on the school walls, and threatening text messages were sent to her cell phone.
Scheibel said she had drawn the ire of the "Mean Girls" by briefly dating a popular senior football player in her first freshman weeks at the school. One student later said it felt like the whole school ganged up on her.
On Jan. 14, Phoebe was harassed and threatened in the school library and in a hallway, Scheibel said. As she walked home, one of the "Mean Girls" drove by and threw a can of Red Bull at her.
Phoebe walked into her house and hung herself in a stairwell.
The nastiness didn't even end there. Her tormentors posted vicious comments on the dead girl's Facebook memorial page.
For months, community anger simmered that no punishment had befallen Phoebe's bullies. Petitions were signed and town hall meetings held.
Scheibel said her investigators were taking the time to investigate thoroughly, and she slammed "the inexplicable lack of cooperation from Internet service providers, in particular Facebook and Craigslist."
Read more: Phoebe Prince, South Hadley High School's 'new girl,' driven to suicide by teenage cyber bullies
I would have pulled my kid out of that school.I think there is a difference between a one time, or a few times incidents and a constant pattern of bullying and abuse that lasted over quite a long time. I would agree with you if this were somewhat isolated or incidental, but it seems to be neither.
I don't understand how they bullied her online. Couldn't she change her e-mail or block them from her facebook or do something else like that so they couldn't contact her?
p.s. I'm not blaming this in any way on her I'm just curious.
I think there is a difference between a one time, or a few times incidents and a constant pattern of bullying and abuse that lasted over quite a long time. I would agree with you if this were somewhat isolated or incidental, but it seems to be neither.
"A lot of it was normal girl drama," one girl told me. "If you want to label it bullying, then I've bullied girls and girls have bullied me. Her history made it affect her more. It wasn't the school being terrible. It was really bad, it was one of the worst things I've heard of some girls doing to another girl. But it wouldn't have hurt most people that much."
Harry Guerrilla said:She was a captive audience to the violence and intimidation, she had to be there.
Befuddled Stoner said:I agree. Suicide just shirks your pain off onto the people that care about you; the only ethical thing to do is to keep the pain to yourself and endure it in silence. Just think of all the suffering this girl could have spared her family, if only she had learned to endure more pain. Pity she turned to suicide instead of drugs.
But what do you do when a kid with glass bones is rough housed and is killed when his skull shatters? Blame him for being extraordinarily vulnerable and let the bullies off with the slap on the wrist they’d receive for rough housing a regular kid?
What? I don't know how this relates to my post you quoted. Who is "she"?
She had to be there, her mental stability which was in question was no concern of the school.
They are just as responsible for her suicide as they did not stop the abuse.
She is the girl who killed herself.
I know that she had to be there and I know the abuse wasn't stopped, but that's not relevant to the fact that she is responsible for allowing her emotions to be damaged and ultimately for killing herself. It's her fault.
What? I don't know how this relates to my post you quoted. Who is "she"?
She chose to let it get to her. Her emotional pain was self-inflicted. Her responsibility, her fault.
Stupid comparison. One cannot help if they are "glass boned". One can, however, choose if they want to be emotionally affected.
People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their bones unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are poor bastards who deserve our sympathy.
People with ****ed up biochemistry that makes their brains unable to produce the right balance of chemicals needed for normal structural integrity? They are weak mother****ers who need to quit being whining emos. People with depression, PTSD, schizophrenia and autism have absolutely no excuses for being so weak and they have nobody to blame but themselves for their emotional pain.
I'm gonna have to disagree here. Bullying typically takes a pattern and it doesn't just start and stop randomly. Here's an update from Slate and I find it interesting what some of the students that weren't involved had to say:
Exactly what I have been saying. It was bad, but it wasn't anything unique. I still think that Phoebe Prince's reaction was what was out of the ordinary here and if it weren't for her dramatic answer to a normal problem every kid goes through, then these other kids wouldn't be having their permanent records and lives damaged...all to make a community feel better about the selfish act of a disturbed young lady.
Stupid comparison. One cannot help if they are "glass boned". One can, however, choose if they want to be emotionally affected.
I know that she had to be there and I know the abuse wasn't stopped, but that's not relevant to the fact that she is responsible for allowing her emotions to be damaged and ultimately for killing herself. It's her fault.
I'm gonna have to disagree here. Bullying typically takes a pattern and it doesn't just start and stop randomly. Here's an update from Slate and I find it interesting what some of the students that weren't involved had to say:
Exactly what I have been saying. It was bad, but it wasn't anything unique. I still think that Phoebe Prince's reaction was what was out of the ordinary here and if it weren't for her dramatic answer to a normal problem every kid goes through, then these other kids wouldn't be having their permanent records and lives damaged...all to make a community feel better about the selfish act of a disturbed young lady.
Holy crap, seriously? Kids being *charged* with bullying? This happens day in and day out, across the country, for decades. Centuries! It's just a fact of life.
Yes, it's too bad that this girl had a serious over reaction, but it is NOT the fault of the bullies. She made the choice to do what she did. SHE did. HER. Alone.
Were the kids mean? Yup. Were they assholes? Yup. Did they cause her death? Nope.
If she had an underlying mental/emotional disorder that led to her being unable to handle negativity, that's not their fault either.
Please see my post above yours.
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