Again, the official reason was the 100 year anniversary of the Civil War. Any claim to the contrary is ultimately conjecture and hearsay.
Either way, the flag certainly doesn't stand for segregation now, and doesn't fly over the capital anymore. Who the Hell cares?
It now stands for white Southern conservatives who generally have a disdainful view of black people.
Again, the official reason was the 100 year anniversary of the Civil War. Any claim to the contrary is ultimately conjecture and hearsay.
Either way, the flag certainly doesn't stand for segregation now, and doesn't fly over the capital anymore. Who the Hell cares?
In the year 2000, the state legislature of South Carolina effected a compromise. At least, they called it a compromise—in reality, it was not. They took [the flag] down from the capitol dome and put it right smack on the state capitol grounds. So, it was even more visible after 2000 than before. And this brought the NAACP of South Carolina to call for a boycott of the state, and in fact many organizations refuse to hold their annual conventions in South Carolina.
It’s remained a contentious issue for the past 15 years because if you’re African American, and you walk by that flag, it’s a government endorsement of slavery [and] white supremacy. For African Americans, that’s what the flag stood for and that’s what the flag stands for. And the history of the flag certainly undergirds that interpretation.
According to whom, exactly? Bigoted Northerners and melodramatic Leftists?
What does it stand for then? The South lost the Civil war. It is the flag of treasonous losers if is not the flag of the Dixiecrats .
Why don't we see liberal black Southerners flying or defending the flag? Oh, right.
Well, obviously - seeing as how it's flying over a war memorial - it stands for the Southern soldiers who fought and died in the Civil War, and the historical heritage that represents.
If certain African Americans - actively looking for an excuse to be offended - can't get that through their thick skulls, that's frankly their problem, not mine. It's not a position which is universal within the Southern African American community anyway.
There is also a Black History monument on the other side of the State House grounds, in case you've forgotten.
Boy do those guys look unhappy.
Defending that flag is like defending the robes of the KKK because they started as a neighborhood defense organization.
Well, obviously - seeing as how it's flying over a war memorial - it stands for the Southern soldiers who fought and died in the Civil War, and the historical heritage that represents.
Just FYI, the black person in that photo has a unique interpretation of the flag, completely divorced from what the flag is intended to represent. He was on CNN. It would be like if someone chose to view the Nazi flag as an homage to Oscar Schindler for saving Jews.
And what do you think it is "intended to represent," exactly?
I saw the interview. He said that, for him, it represented Southern culture and Southern heritage. That's pretty much exactly the same thing it represents for me. :shrug:
The "Heritage " it represents is exactly why it is offensive. Anybody that knows its history can see that.
And what do you think it is "intended to represent," exactly?
I saw the interview. He said that, for him, it represented Southern culture and Southern heritage. That's pretty much exactly the same thing it represents for me. :shrug:
Well, since it is a battle flag, and the Confederates were battling exclusively for the right to keep black people as property,
No, he said that his ancestor was a cook for the Confederates, and after the war was over his ancestor received a pension. And he refuses to turn his back on that. So his interpretation of the flag is wildly different from basically 99.99% of other people.
And you're wrong right out of the gate. The Confederates were primarily battling for their perceived Constitutional right to political and economic self-determination. Slavery was simply one aspect of that, and even then, only really because the Southern economy was wholly dependent upon it.
Some of my ancestors fought for the Confederacy as well. Most white Southerners have someone in their family line who did. That is the primary reason why we, and Southern culture in general, have an attachment to the battle flag.
What does it stand for then? The South lost the Civil war. It is the flag of treasonous losers if it is not the flag of the segregationist Dixiecrats . This is what a historian says.
The HISTORY of the flag is what makes it offensive.
The political and economic self-determination of owning slaves.
I don't understand. If my grandfather fought for the Nazis, I wouldn't be proud. At the same time, I wouldn't be ashamed. Because I had no say in the matter. If I chose to fly the Nazi flag in honor of what my grandfather fought for, that is a choice -- and a very bad one.
Anyone who chose to use that flag as a way to denote simple southern life did so foolishly since it's basically the battle flag for slavery. It's time now to admit that, put the flag away, and move forward.
Someone needs to pass that on to those who raised and taught the guy who murdered 9 blacks in a Black church.
Where did he get his ideas from?
Most Northern states had abolished slavery in the 18th Century....
Besides, both North and South owned slaves for the duration of the war ...
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