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NHS to offer weight loss drugs to fat people

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I understand that the goal is to save money in the long run but I have my doubts about the effects of this policy.
The drug costs £180 a month but the weight is piled back on as soon as the doses stop.
It doesnt reuire any change of lifestyle that weight loss reuires.
My wife works with many women who take the drugs privately without any real effect.
The NHS could provide personal trainers to folk at the same price with better outcomes. Create a lot of jobs as well.
 

The weight goes back on after the doses stop if the user does not adapt to a healthier lifestyle that is conducive to keeping the weight off.
Unfortunately that is true of any weight loss regimen whether pharma enhanced or not.

You could be stranded on a desert island for four years and lose a significant amount of weight, but if you don't exercise and you gorge on giant meals of processed stuff and sweets upon your return to civilization you will put the weight back on.

We cannot enforce common sense and discipline as much as we would like to.
We can sell it as a better idea but even then there will still always be a percentage who can't be bothered to listen.
 
Sometimes you need medication to get you started on a weight loss journey. I understand that not everyone is going to do it exactly like I did. There's no one size fits all weight loss plan, no pun intended.
 
The UK is known for bad teeth. Do they really want to add Ozempic face to that?
 
Helix said:
Sometimes you need medication to get you started on a weight loss journey. I understand that not everyone is going to do it exactly like I did. There's no one size fits all weight loss plan, no pun intended.
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It will help some. Some will use it as an excuse to not change lifestyle.
I would hope that they are weeded out.
However under pressure GPs are more likely to wave it thru.
That wont help anyone.
 
The program includes counseling availability.
 
The cost of obesity in the United States exceeds $1.4 trillion annually, encompassing both direct medical expenses and indirect costs, including lost productivity.
 
Napoleon said:
The UK is known for bad teeth.
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I could say a lot of things the US is known for - all equally silly stereotypes.

Napoleon said:
Do they really want to add Ozempic face to that?
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On the subject of the thread, we have a member of the forum who spent time in hospital because of Ozempic.
I am very much against it being given and even then, the subject receiving this ghastly treatment should be observed for side effects.
 
Meh. A lot of meds have side affects.
 
reflechissez said:
Meh. A lot of meds have side affects.
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I believe there are some class actions being prepared regarding Ozempic in the US. I repeat that I would want people getting this treatment to be observed regulalry.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You really are stuck in the 1950's when America was "great" aren't you?
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Well, the way the left tells it, the 1950s was a golden age when you could buy the palace of Versailles and feed a family of 87 for life with a handful of sea shells. Of course, that was America. The UK at that time was more about trying not to die in some of the worst slums on the planet.
 
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I believe there are some class actions being prepared regarding Ozempic in the US. I repeat that I would want people getting this treatment to be observed regulalry.
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That little shit Jenrick is on a private supply. One aim for the NHS is to cut the rising number of type 2 diabetics. That saves on Metformin costs too!
 
Only an American Trump would pass such nonsense off as an opinion.
 
Manc Skipper said:
That little shit Jenrick is on a private supply. One aim for the NHS is to cut the rising number of type 2 diabetics. That saves on Metformin costs too!
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There is a lot they could do.Limiting cheap processed food in the supermarkets, legislating the likes fo macdonalds would be a good start.
It would also be worthwhile monitoring these guys as suggested.
Im not averse to helping folk with their struggles but just doling out pills isnt going to do it.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I believe there are some class actions being prepared regarding Ozempic in the US. I repeat that I would want people getting this treatment to be observed regulalry.
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And they will fail. Ozempic comes a ton of warnings, including that it should only be prescribed in conjunction with a weight loss program and only as a last resort. That US doctors dont give a shit is the problem of the US doctors not Ozempic.
 
It is an interesting thing. Frozen ready meals/processed foods is a stable of the UK kitchen.

Here on the Costa we have 2 English supermarkets that specifically tailor to the British consumer. Frozen Pizza to ready made curry meals to ready made steak and chips and much more the cornerstone of these stores. The fresh produce is on a small corner of the store at inflated prices..

The thing is, its older people who are the main customers and they buy tons of this stuff instead of making it yourself. Steak and chips or a curry is hardly hard or time consuming to make..
 
I fancy a curry now.
 
panic buyer said:
I understand that the goal is to save money in the long run but I have my doubts about the effects of this policy.
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I'm sure that opinion is based on decades of research and salient experience. Let's find out, shall we?

panic buyer said:
The drug costs £180 a month but the weight is piled back on as soon as the doses stop.
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I assume this is because the NHS just approved Mounjaro. I guess you missed how it's going to be highly restricted at first. E.g. you need to have a BMI over 40; you need to be diagnosed with at least 4 weight-related conditions, such as sleep apnea and high blood pressure, and so on.

Mounjaro isn't a "weight loss drug." Its primary function is to help with diabetes, which is a chronic condition, and usually requires continuous medications. Mounjaro helps to controls blood sugar levels; may offer cardiovascular benefits; and may help with kidney function. Weight loss is simply a known side effect, which happens to be what a lot of people want.

So no, NHS is not going to just pay for everyone to take a drug which lets them drop 10 pounds before hitting the beach.

panic buyer said:
My wife works with many women who take the drugs privately without any real effect.
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Oh? Have you been weighing them? Seems odd.

Anyway. There is no question that GLP-1 agonists can result in weight loss. Yes, it does often require changes in diet and exercise. But again, these medications produce lots of benefits even when they don't result in weight loss.

panic buyer said:
The NHS could provide personal trainers to folk at the same price with better outcomes. Create a lot of jobs as well.
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The NHS already offers a comprehensive weight loss plan (https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/lose-weight/).

However, the fact is that while you can definitely improve your health with diet and exercise, it's nearly impossible to lose weight that way. This is rather oversimplified, but: Your body is designed pretty much on the cellular level to desire carbs and sugars, and pack on the fat, because humans evolved in an environment where food was scarce and intermittent. As a result, our bodies react to things like reducing calories by burning fewer of them.

How many people do you know that have been able to reduce weight permanently, via diet and exercise...?
 
PeteEU said:
Frozen ready meals/processed foods is a stable of the UK kitchen.
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You and your stereotypes.
Danes all have blonde hair and look like Peter Schmiechel or Brigitte Neilsen.
All Belgians study kickboxing and the men look like Jean Claude Van Damme or Audrey Hepburn.
The British only eat fish and chips or frozen pizza and we all have bad teeth and look like Les Dawson (male AND female)
 
Infinite Chaos said:


You and your stereotypes.
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Sadly kinda true...English supermarkets I have been in... in Spain and the UK, have HUGE sections of ready meals and frozen meals. Just not what I have seen else where in Europe. Now Spanish supermarkets have huge sections for dairy products.. never seen so much yogurt and flan.

Infinite Chaos said:
Danes all have blonde hair and look like Peter Schmiechel or Brigitte Neilsen.
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Nope, but many do. I use to be one of the "blonds".. its grey now.

Infinite Chaos said:
All Belgians study kickboxing and the men look like Jean Claude Van Damme or Audrey Hepburn.
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Never heard that one.... Waffles I have heard.. Fries and mayo is another one.

Infinite Chaos said:
The British only eat fish and chips or frozen pizza and we all have bad teeth and look like Les Dawson (male AND female)
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You forgot the curry.. but else its not far off! Nandos! My English friends always get a tad annoyed of me calling fish and chips, for the kids meal .. that is what it is in Denmark.
 
PeteEU said:
Sadly kinda true...English supermarkets I have been in... in Spain and the UK, have HUGE sections of ready meals and frozen meals.
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True in 1973 but not so true these days unless you only went to Farmfoods or Iceland which only sell ready meals and frozen meals...

Ironically, the Farmfood page I gave you tells us the average British family wastes a lot of fresh food and should be buying more frozen produce.
 
Farmgoods is the best supermarket. Everything is on a deal or offer.
 
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