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Of course. I might debate Moss, but the other 3 belong on Mt. Rushmore.
I should add:
Offensive Linemen GOAT: John "Hog" Hannah :mrgreen:
I've joked around on this thread but lets not be stupid about this. Brady is the GOAT full stop.
QB GOAT: Brady
RB GOAT: Jim Brown
WR GOAT: Randy Moss
Defense GOAT: Lawrence Taylor
That's interesting. To me Moss is the most agreeable choice on your list, followed closely by Taylor. Personally I have Berry Sanders as the best RB and Peyton Manning as the best QB (we're only counting prime years, right?).Of course. I might debate Moss, but the other 3 belong on Mt. Rushmore.
The first book I ever remember reading was Instant Replay by Jerry Kramer. The Packers had 2 of history's best offensive linemen in Jerry Kramer and Forrest Gregg. Anthony Munoz is often considered the absolute best offensive lineman of all time. Its such a critical role that is so easily overlooked. Without the line, there is no discussion of the skill player GOATs.Hannah was the best I ever saw on the line.
He could move like a cat, and could drive a pile of players backwards at the same time.
Those 33 inch thighs might have been a factor.
The first book I ever remember reading was Instant Replay by Jerry Kramer. The Packers had 2 of history's best offensive linemen in Jerry Kramer and Forrest Gregg. Anthony Munoz is often considered the absolute best offensive lineman of all time. Its such a critical role that is so easily overlooked. Without the line, there is no discussion of the skill player GOATs.
And Jim Ringo...Don't forget Fuzzy Thurston and Ken Bowman. There's a reason why the 1960's Packers had a powerful running game.
Walter Payton.
The matter is concluded.
Walter Payton.
The matter is concluded.
That's interesting. To me Moss is the most agreeable choice on your list, followed closely by Taylor. Personally I have Berry Sanders as the best RB and Peyton Manning as the best QB (we're only counting prime years, right?).
Ever heard of a guy named Jerry Rice?
The reason someone could debate Moss is because of the time he spent being too difficult to be effective. And there was a considerable amount of that.
This.
Moss was great when he gave a ****, Rice always gave a ****.
Ever heard of a guy named Jerry Rice?
You can't deny the fact that the Cheatriots never won a Super Bowl when they had to go on the road for any game prior to the Super Bowl
2001/02 vs the Steelers
2018/19 vs Kansas City
Both AFC Championship Games
I do acknowledge that QB is the most important and influential position on the field, bar none. But I still contend that championships (and by extension, W/L records) are among the worst criteria for judging a single player's performance, QB or otherwise. Here's a great article that explains it better than I ever could:
The quarterback is one of 53 on an active roster and one of 11 on the field at any given time. He only plays half of the game, and when he is in the game, he hands the ball off more than 40 percent of the time. That means he's only a factor about 30 percent of the time. And while that number is higher than anyone else on his team, it doesn't mean he should be credited with the wins and lassoed with the losses.
Winning is ultimately all that matters, but it's a fallacy that wins and losses can fully measure an individual's performance, and it's lazy to conclude that contributing factors such as the strength of one's teammates, coaches and opponents are secondary or irrelevant.
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Context can usually only be gained with a multitude of stats. The way I see it, there are several first-level stats that establish a general baseline, and then you must consult at least several second- and third-level stats in order to reaffirm your so-called hypothesis on a quarterback.
Which Metric Matters Most When Evaluating NFL Quarterbacks? | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
If we go by career passer rating (a much better measure, but still has its flaws), Marino is far below Brady, but Brady is below Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, and Romo:
NFL Passer Rating Career Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com
I will definitely take Brett Favre, Dan Marino and Brees over Brady.
Integrity matters.
Hannah was the best I ever saw on the line.
He could move like a cat, and could drive a pile of players backwards at the same time.
Those 33 inch thighs might have been a factor.
Now Dunbar's lawyer says the five witnesses approached him and have signed affidavits claiming that Dunbar wasn't involved after all. Not sure why they didn't just go to the police and update their statements.
Now Dunbar's lawyer says the five witnesses approached him and have signed affidavits claiming that Dunbar wasn't involved after all. Not sure why they didn't just go to the police and update their statements.
Now Dunbar's lawyer says the five witnesses approached him and have signed affidavits claiming that Dunbar wasn't involved after all. Not sure why they didn't just go to the police and update their statements.
I sure the **** hope that is true. I mean if he did this, he's dumber than a bag of hammers.
It's amazing what a little cash can do to the memory.
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