New president takes office in Taiwan

[jfuh]

Taiwan's new president took office Tuesday and set the tone for his administration's policy on rival China: better economic and political ties but no plans for unification with the mainland.The inauguration of Ma Ying-jeou, 57, represents a clear break from the eight-year presidency of Chen Shui-bian, whose confrontational pro-independence policies often led to friction with Beijing -- and with the United States, Taiwan's most important foreign partner.
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'(I) hope that the two sides can use this rare historical opportunity,'' he said. ''Let's open a new page of peace and prosperity.''
Ma made it clear that even while he renounces the platform of formal independence espoused by his predecessor, he also opposes unification anytime soon with the mainland, from which Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949.
''We will adopt the principle of no independence, no unification and no use of force,'' he said.
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What matters is not sovereignty, but core values and way of life,'' he said Tuesday. ''We ... hope that mainland China will continue to move toward freedom, democracy and prosperity for all the people.''
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''In light of our common Chinese heritage, people on both sides should do their utmost to jointly contribute to the international community without engaging in vicious competition and the waste of resources,''

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Finally an end to the 8 years of a cultural revolution led by power hungry corrupt politicians of ex president a-bian's regime.
Finally the Republic of China can thaw out and normalize relations with mainland China so as to better stabilize the straight and emphasize what is of far greater importance than semantics.




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However amidst the celebration I wish to sincerely ask any reader of this thread to take a moment of silence for those victims of the colossal 7.9 earthquake in Sichuan China.
If I may please borrow this icon for a moment.:hm

 

[ludahai]

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Finally an end to the 8 years of a cultural revolution led by power hungry corrupt politicians of ex president a-bian's regime.
Finally the Republic of China can thaw out and normalize relations with mainland China so as to better stabilize the straight and emphasize what is of far greater importance than semantics.

Replaced with pan-Blue thugs who are about to see in an era of high inflation, rising property prices shutting out the middle class, and an increase of young Chinese women seeking employment in the local KTV joints.

One four-year term of the Horse as president should be enough to teach the Taiwanese the mistake that they made. Heck, I already hear a lot of buyer's regret from people who voted for him. Imagine how people will feel when food prices rise over the summer, gas prices spike, and electricy prices jump by some 50%! Let's see how HE handles the demonstrations!

 

[jfuh]

Replaced with pan-Blue thugs who are about to see in an era of high inflation, rising property prices shutting out the middle class, and an increase of young Chinese women seeking employment in the local KTV joints.

Sorry but it was a democratic election, dislike it all you want but why are you trying to suppress the will of the people?

One four-year term of the Horse as president should be enough to teach the Taiwanese the mistake that they made. Heck, I already hear a lot of buyer's regret from people who voted for him. Imagine how people will feel when food prices rise over the summer, gas prices spike, and electricy prices jump by some 50%! Let's see how HE handles the demonstrations!

For those of you who've no idea, the current president's last name is Horse, but of course lu here is trying to ridicule and name call horse for the purpose of bashing rather than anything constructive.
On what basis is this a mistake? with nearly 60% of the populous voting on the guy and a voter turn out of over 80% of the electorate there's your referendum right there.
It's interesting how in this case you call it a big mistake but had they agreed with your positions and elected your nominee it wouldn't have been a mistake?
FYI your out going president who's facing some serious charges of corruption is the one who is responsible for the price hike, not ma and his administration that just came in.

Now please, quit being so bitter and such a sore looser. It's time to move on beyond nonsequitur arguments over semantics.

 

[ludahai]

Sorry but it was a democratic election, dislike it all you want but why are you trying to suppress the will of the people?

It was a democratic election - but will Ma be able to keep the promises he made to secure that election. Only time will tell, but I tend to doubt it.

For those of you who've no idea, the current president's last name is Horse, but of course lu here is trying to ridicule and name call horse for the purpose of bashing rather than anything constructive.

Right - like you never like to ridicule people. No, of course not. Don't be surprised if Ma (aka Little Horsey) is a one-term president and that Taiwan's next president MAY be a woman.

On what basis is this a mistake? with nearly 60% of the populous voting on the guy and a voter turn out of over 80% of the electorate there's your referendum right there.

Gee - if the majority never makes a mistake, I guess you support restrictions on gay marriage after all in California. Seriously, remember, a majority of the electorate voted for Chen in the last election and the criminal KMT broke uncounted laws in the aftermath of that election.

It's interesting how in this case you call it a big mistake but had they agreed with your positions and elected your nominee it wouldn't have been a mistake?

The mistake was buying into the lies and deceptions of the thugs in the pan-Blue camp. As I said, I already know many people who voted blue who are already having "buyer's regret." You should have seen the lines at the gas stations the past couple of days. Again - let's see how he handles the demonstrations that are sure to come in the coming months as inflation rears its ugly head in Taiwan for the first time in MANY YEARS!

FYI your out going president who's facing some serious charges of corruption is the one who is responsible for the price hike, not ma and his administration that just came in.

LOL - What a joke. Can't bear responsibility for what is to come - huh? Typical Blue spin. The prices are about to rise significantly and it is going to occur under Ma's watch. Who do you think the people will blame?

Now please, quit being so bitter and such a sore looser. It's time to move on beyond nonsequitur arguments over semantics.

Once again, in the spirit of freedom and democracy, the loyal opposition will watch Ma like a hawk. If he is able to keep his promises - great (well, mostly). However, if he can't, then the opposition has every right and responsibility to call him on it. If you deny that, you truly don't support democracy and will surely be glad if the Blue Terror many fear does in fact come to pass.

I hope for the best for Taiwan, regardless of who is president.

 

[DarkWizard12]

I give Ma, at the most, one term. I already read about him, he looks worse than bush. lolz.

 

[jfuh]

It was a democratic election - but will Ma be able to keep the promises he made to secure that election. Only time will tell, but I tend to doubt it.

I believe that he would come close to some of the figures he has been parading but I doubt he would be able to meet them. As long as he is demonstrating what he said that he would do I believe that voters would very clearly see that. As opposed to what we got with Chen. 78 point increase in the market after 8 years.

Right - like you never like to ridicule people. No, of course not. Don't be surprised if Ma (aka Little Horsey) is a one-term president and that Taiwan's next president MAY be a woman.

This is not about me. Annette lu has absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Gee - if the majority never makes a mistake, I guess you support restrictions on gay marriage after all in California. Seriously, remember, a majority of the electorate voted for Chen in the last election and the criminal KMT broke uncounted laws in the aftermath of that election.

Juxtaposition/ non-squitur. Anti-gay marriage is about discrimination not about choosing heads of state.
The former mistake was chen, twice, but we're not talking about a slim majority we're talking about a HUGE majority both in absolute numbers and in percentage of voters from an 80% voter turn out.

The mistake was buying into the lies and deceptions of the thugs in the pan-Blue camp. As I said, I already know many people who voted blue who are already having "buyer's regret." You should have seen the lines at the gas stations the past couple of days. Again - let's see how he handles the demonstrations that are sure to come in the coming months as inflation rears its ugly head in Taiwan for the first time in MANY YEARS!

Lies and deceptions? Sorry but the DPP's entire campaign was based on lies and deception - green card anyone?
Again, who is the cause of these inflations, we all know who is the DIRECT result of it and who it was that prevented the market from reflecting the actual value of commodities by capping energy costs? None other than the Interior of economics ordered by Chen. Done so for the sole purpose of igniting such hardship and frustrations against the populace of Taiwan while himself living in luxury after purchasing a ~ $30M personal residence. I don't recall presidential salary to be THAT high so as to afford such accommodation.

LOL - What a joke. Can't bear responsibility for what is to come - huh? Typical Blue spin. The prices are about to rise significantly and it is going to occur under Ma's watch. Who do you think the people will blame?

Very well, we all know the prices are going to rise astronomically, I ask you how is it that we all know this will happen Lu? Might have something to do with the energy cap by the economics bureau ordered by Chen for the purpose of election and now to screw over everyone?

Once again, in the spirit of freedom and democracy, the loyal opposition will watch Ma like a hawk. If he is able to keep his promises - great (well, mostly). However, if he can't, then the opposition has every right and responsibility to call him on it. If you deny that, you truly don't support democracy and will surely be glad if the Blue Terror many fear does in fact come to pass.

I hope for the best for Taiwan, regardless of who is president.

White terror now blue terror huh? One thing about you conservatives is you love your name calling and sound bites.
Indeed if Ma can not do what he said he can do, he should be called on it. But seems that it's all you fringe pan greens have been doing to which you're voices are utterly irrelevant. If his government is found of any fraud, money laundering, corruption or so on, I will be one of the first to call for rolling heads. But if he missed his targets by 1 or 2 percent but managed the remainer, I'm not going to be screaming like an irrelevant lunatic.

 

[jfuh]

I give Ma, at the most, one term. I already read about him, he looks worse than bush. lolz.

I'm curious as to what about him looks worse than bush, to you?

 

[ludahai]

I believe that he would come close to some of the figures he has been parading but I doubt he would be able to meet them. As long as he is demonstrating what he said that he would do I believe that voters would very clearly see that. As opposed to what we got with Chen. 78 point increase in the market after 8 years.

Right. Talk about spin. Remember the burst in the bubble that President Chen inherited? Look at what the stock market has done AFTER the burst of the tech bubble.

This is not about me. Annette lu has absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Thank God, but who said anything about Annette Lu?

Juxtaposition/ non-squitur. Anti-gay marriage is about discrimination not about choosing heads of state.

Nah - just your hypocrisy exposed once again.

The former mistake was chen, twice, but we're not talking about a slim majority we're talking about a HUGE majority both in absolute numbers and in percentage of voters from an 80% voter turn out.

Let's see what happens.

Lies and deceptions? Sorry but the DPP's entire campaign was based on lies and deception - green card anyone?

Are you denying Ma had a US green card? The contested point was whether or not it was still valid.

Again, who is the cause of these inflations, we all know who is the DIRECT result of it and who it was that prevented the market from reflecting the actual value of commodities by capping energy costs? None other than the Interior of economics ordered by Chen. Done so for the sole purpose of igniting such hardship and frustrations against the populace of Taiwan while himself living in luxury after purchasing a ~ $30M personal residence. I don't recall presidential salary to be THAT high so as to afford such accommodation.

Who called for the cap in energy costs - THE KMT did!

Very well, we all know the prices are going to rise astronomically, I ask you how is it that we all know this will happen Lu? Might have something to do with the energy cap by the economics bureau ordered by Chen for the purpose of election and now to screw over everyone?

Might have something to do with the political pressure and smears of the KMT last year. Remember, this was a policy THEY advocated.

White terror now blue terror huh? One thing about you conservatives is you love your name calling and sound bites.

If their lack of respect for the rule of law as indicated by actions of the last four years is any indication, there is most definately a Blue Terror on the way - though far more subtle than the White Terror the KMT brought to Taiwan int he 1950s and 60s.

Indeed if Ma can not do what he said he can do, he should be called on it. But seems that it's all you fringe pan greens have been doing to which you're voices are utterly irrelevant. If his government is found of any fraud, money laundering, corruption or so on, I will be one of the first to call for rolling heads. But if he missed his targets by 1 or 2 percent but managed the remainer, I'm not going to be screaming like an irrelevant lunatic.

Well, Taiwan had 5.7% economic growth last year. Ma promised 6% growth annually and that the average income in Taiwan would be US$30,000 by the end of an eight-year term. Frankly, this can't be achieved even with six percent growth every year without an 8% appreciation of the NT dollar to go along with it. I think MA needs new economic advisors. Watchdogs and advocates are ALREADY calling on him to subsidize the unemployed and poor to help them deal with the upcoming price increases.

 

[jfuh]

Right. Talk about spin. Remember the burst in the bubble that President Chen inherited? Look at what the stock market has done AFTER the burst of the tech bubble.

Yep I agree the Asian stock market crash, but what happened with S. Korea? Hong Kong? How much has their markets grown in the last 8 years? compare that with the growth in Taiwan 78market points in 8 years.

Thank God, but who said anything about Annette Lu?

very well then go ahead who's your pick?

Nah - just your hypocrisy exposed once again.

Nothing hypocritical about it, again it's a non-sequitur.

Let's see what happens.

We shall won't we

Are you denying Ma had a US green card? The contested point was whether or not it was still valid.

No **** sherlock and why was it even in contest whether or not it was valid, it was bullshit, you of all people should know that better than anyone else.

Who called for the cap in energy costs - THE KMT did!

I'm sorry but who has the power to enforce it? And when did the KMT call for it and why? Think back to November lu

Might have something to do with the political pressure and smears of the KMT last year. Remember, this was a policy THEY advocated.

Political pressure my arse, if it was Chen's administration giving into political pressure why didn't it get rid of the caps in January?

If their lack of respect for the rule of law as indicated by actions of the last four years is any indication, there is most definately a Blue Terror on the way - though far more subtle than the White Terror the KMT brought to Taiwan int he 1950s and 60s.

Whatever lu, quit being bitter.

Well, Taiwan had 5.7% economic growth last year. Ma promised 6% growth annually and that the average income in Taiwan would be US$30,000 by the end of an eight-year term. Frankly, this can't be achieved even with six percent growth every year without an 8% appreciation of the NT dollar to go along with it. I think MA needs new economic advisors. Watchdogs and advocates are ALREADY calling on him to subsidize the unemployed and poor to help them deal with the upcoming price increases.

Un huh, 5.7% growth and only 78 points after 8 years, that's quite a record.

 

[ludahai]

Yep I agree the Asian stock market crash, but what happened with S. Korea? Hong Kong? How much has their markets grown in the last 8 years? compare that with the growth in Taiwan 78market points in 8 years.

We have had this discussion before. Taiwan's stock market was (and largely still is) very tech heavy (South Korea has a separate tech heavy index similar to the US) and thus, as more greatly affected by the burst of the bubble.

very well then go ahead who's your pick?

How does President Tsai sound to you?

Nothing hypocritical about it, again it's a non-sequitur.

So says the one caught red handed.

No **** sherlock and why was it even in contest whether or not it was valid, it was bullshit, you of all people should know that better than anyone else.

Watch the temper. While it doesn't mean he had US citizenship (which would make him ineligible for the presidency) many people would not want a dual citizen as president. IF the people are concerened about that, it makes it a legitimate issue.

I'm sorry but who has the power to enforce it? And when did the KMT call for it and why? Think back to November lu

Then you know nothing about politics here. They were dragging Chen's name through the mud over doing nothing about inflation. The policy has been in place since early December. It wasn't until AFTER the election that the KMT called for its repeal. Hmm - wonder why THAT was.

Political pressure my arse, if it was Chen's administration giving into political pressure why didn't it get rid of the caps in January?

Explain yourself.

Whatever lu, quit being bitter.

Like you haven't been bitter the past four years over the loss to Chen AGAIN? At least the Greens don't storm the Central Election Commission and try to break through a police line in Kaohsiung after losing an election.

Un huh, 5.7% growth and only 78 points after 8 years, that's quite a record.

How has the stock market done since the 2004 election?

 

[jfuh]

We have had this discussion before. Taiwan's stock market was (and largely still is) very tech heavy (South Korea has a separate tech heavy index similar to the US) and thus, as more greatly affected by the burst of the bubble.

Again, 78 points in 8 years. No matter how you spin it you can't dodge that fact lu.

How does President Tsai sound to you?

Which one?

So says the one caught red handed.

You're juxtaposing gay marriage and electoral mistakes - I don't know what this red handed crap is you speak of.

Watch the temper. While it doesn't mean he had US citizenship (which would make him ineligible for the presidency) many people would not want a dual citizen as president. IF the people are concerened about that, it makes it a legitimate issue.

Is that what was said? People were questioning whether or not he still had a green card, and green card is permanent resident NOT citizen.
Again lu, you being of dual citizenship should know that better than anyone else that the accusations were bullshit.

Then you know nothing about politics here. They were dragging Chen's name through the mud over doing nothing about inflation. The policy has been in place since early December. It wasn't until AFTER the election that the KMT called for its repeal. Hmm - wonder why THAT was.

Might have something to do with the fact that China Petroleum was loosing millions daily? Might have something to do with the fact that it would lead to the inflation that we are more than likely to see now?
Again Lu, WHO has the power to cap or not? The legislature or the executive?
Please don't try this whole appeal to authority.

Explain yourself.

Calling for an end to the caps wasn't only starting after the election but rather quite early in the year.

Like you haven't been bitter the past four years over the loss to Chen AGAIN? At least the Greens don't storm the Central Election Commission and try to break through a police line in Kaohsiung after losing an election.

I would never deny that I've been pissed off for the last 8 years in particular the past four years at the abian cultural revolution, but so have many people in particular those of us who were former pan greens. And the corruption charges that were immediately brought up yesterday are why as well as the 78 points, and continuous personal prospects as opposed to anything for the betterment of the nation.
The police line again? You're going to need to do better than that, I've already condemned the violent acts over and over lu, dunno what more you want from it.

How has the stock market done since the 2004 election?

Grew up from a bottom out. so?

 

[ludahai]

Wow - three apologies from the Ma administration in the first week in power. This is going to be a long four years.

What a screw up over the implementation of the gasoline price increase. People are mad. I heard at least a dozen people yesterday who voted for Ma now regretting their vote. Unless Ma fixes this fast, he will soon be under as much fire as President Chen was - only this time it will be justified!

 

[jfuh]

Wow - three apologies from the Ma administration in the first week in power. This is going to be a long four years.

What a screw up over the implementation of the gasoline price increase. People are mad. I heard at least a dozen people yesterday who voted for Ma now regretting their vote. Unless Ma fixes this fast, he will soon be under as much fire as President Chen was - only this time it will be justified!

3 apologies over what lu. please be clear.
As for gas price increase please cease with toeing the green line. We all know why the prices have increased and why they have to increase.
Or are you for continued subsides at the expense of tax payers?

 

[ludahai]

3 apologies over what lu. please be clear.
As for gas price increase please cease with toeing the green line. We all know why the prices have increased and why they have to increase.
Or are you for continued subsides at the expense of tax payers?

The reason he is under fire now is that with only a few hours notice, they bumped up the date of the increase by nearly a week.

And how about that KMT city councilor here in Taichung who had to apologize over his behavior blocking a bus full of students on their way to an important exam. These KMT thugs think this whole country exists to serve them.

Remember, it was your buddies in the KMT who advocated the price freeze in the first place. Hmm - they criticized President Chen for not handling inflation. Now, Taiwan is about to see its worst inflation in a decade.

 

[jfuh]

The reason he is under fire now is that with only a few hours notice, they bumped up the date of the increase by nearly a week.

Uh, and? why is that even an issue, it's nothing but rhetoric, everyone knew that the price was going to increase and more importantly why the price needed to increase. Do you think that Frank would've done any differently?

And how about that KMT city councilor here in Taichung who had to apologize over his behavior blocking a bus full of students on their way to an important exam. These KMT thugs think this whole country exists to serve them.

Councilor? Should we start with your DPP councilors? he's hardly representative of the KMT as a whole.

Remember, it was your buddies in the KMT who advocated the price freeze in the first place. Hmm - they criticized President Chen for not handling inflation. Now, Taiwan is about to see its worst inflation in a decade.

Explain again, who had the authority to freeze or unfreeze?

 

[ludahai]

Uh, and? why is that even an issue, it's nothing but rhetoric, everyone knew that the price was going to increase and more importantly why the price needed to increase. Do you think that Frank would've done any differently?

Yes, I think Frank Hsieh would have handled it much better. The issue is not the rising or the prices, but rather the way in which it was done. It was initially announced that the price increase would occur on Monday, June second. Then, all of the sudden, last Tuesday afternoon at about 2 or 3o'clock, the government announced that it would in fact rise at midnight (9 or so hours later.) That caused rush hour chaos with drivers lining up for at least an hour to fill up, causing congestion that I have never seen here in Taichung. It brings into question the ability of this government to keep its word. It was a fiasco.

Councilor? Should we start with your DPP councilors? he's hardly representative of the KMT as a whole.

LOL. Yeah, right. Hmmm - remember those four legislators who went in an illegal raid of Frank Hsieh's campaign HQ before the election? How about Chiu Yi's behavior in Kaohsiung four years ago? And the KMT has the gall to put him back in the legislature. Chiu himself even dared the government to put him in jail despite the fact that everyone in the country saw his illegal activities on TV. Extreme arrogance. How about the trashing of the CEC headquarters by the KMT following the election four years ago. There is a disturbing pattern that the KMT members believe that they are above the law.

Now, there are serious allegations that long-time KMT legislator has dual-citizenship, in violation of the law for government officials. When will it end?

Explain again, who had the authority to freeze or unfreeze?

Typical KMT desire to have its cake and eat it too. They drag PResident Chen through the mud last November for doing nothing to ease fuel and food prices. He does what they want him to do, but AS SOON AS MA IS ELECTED, they decided that they don't want the policy anymore because it makes them look bad, so they try to bring his name through the mud again. Isn't working as well this time because many people remember the KMTs advocacy of the policy last November and see the stand for the hypocrisy that it is. And of course, with the mismanagement this week of the price hike - along with the Taichung city councilor, Diane Lee, and now apparant back-tracking over the textbook policy, the KMT has had a really bad first eleven days in power.

 

[ludahai]

Gee - KMT hubris continues.

Now, Miaoli is looking to spend FIFTY MILLION NT Dollars (1.6 million US dollars) to build a museum dedicated to Ma Ying-jeou. Heck, in the US, they want until a president leaves office to build museums to them, not looking to build them in their first MONTH in office. Furthermore, they are looking to hoodwink tourists into thinking that Ma Ying-Jeou (born in Hong Kong, NOT in Taiwan) somehow has connections to a village in the county because nearly all of the people there share the surname Ma (馬 - which means Horse in Chinese). Unbelievable.

Perhaps the KMT should focus on governing and cleaning up their act, and if they do a good job, THEN build a museum to their leader.

article here

 

[DarkWizard12]

Gee - KMT hubris continues.

Now, Miaoli is looking to spend FIFTY MILLION NT Dollars (1.6 million US dollars) to build a museum dedicated to Ma Ying-jeou. Heck, in the US, they want until a president leaves office to build museums to them, not looking to build them in their first MONTH in office. Furthermore, they are looking to hoodwink tourists into thinking that Ma Ying-Jeou (born in Hong Kong, NOT in Taiwan) somehow has connections to a village in the county because nearly all of the people there share the surname Ma (馬 - which means Horse in Chinese). Unbelievable.

Perhaps the KMT should focus on governing and cleaning up their act, and if they do a good job, THEN build a museum to their leader.

article here

Wait wait wait...I thought horse was "uma"....

But you are right. The Museum thing is actually kind of "out there". Anyhow, if Ma was born in Taiwan, why is he allowed to be president? I know Taiwan is not the US but, I would have deduced that given the circumstances of the ROC's creation, the people wouldn't want any person from China to be president of their country

 

[ludahai]

Wait wait wait...I thought horse was "uma"....

Might that be Cantonese? I don't know. Horse is "Ma" in Mandarin.

But you are right. The Museum thing is actually kind of "out there". Anyhow, if Ma was born in Taiwan, why is he allowed to be president? I know Taiwan is not the US but, I would have deduced that given the circumstances of the ROC's creation, the people wouldn't want any person from China to be president of their country

The ROC constitution allows any citizen to become president, though local law prohobits duel citizens to become President or members of the legislature.

 

[jfuh]

Yes, I think Frank Hsieh would have handled it much better. The issue is not the rising or the prices, but rather the way in which it was done. It was initially announced that the price increase would occur on Monday, June second. Then, all of the sudden, last Tuesday afternoon at about 2 or 3o'clock, the government announced that it would in fact rise at midnight (9 or so hours later.) That caused rush hour chaos with drivers lining up for at least an hour to fill up, causing congestion that I have never seen here in Taichung. It brings into question the ability of this government to keep its word. It was a fiasco.

So we all knew the price was going to rise, anyone in power would've raised the price to better reflect true market value of petroleum and it was raised a few days earlier all of a sudden it's a nightmare? :roll: Truth of the matter is it wouldn't have mattered if it was raised on June 1st or Teusday last week, you would still be bitching about it and complaining that it was badly handled no matter what because you can't see beyond your partisan rhetoric on the issue.
The crowd lining up to get gas, oh yeah, like that would really do anything to help - mass hysteria that's all it is. And two days later on Thursday anymore lines? Hardly and yet Taiwan still has the lowest gas price of a non-production nation in all of Asia that still doesn't truly reflect the market value. If it were I I would've raised the prices all the way to completely reflect the true value of petroleum.

LOL. Yeah, right. Hmmm - remember those four legislators who went in an illegal raid of Frank Hsieh's campaign HQ before the election? How about Chiu Yi's behavior in Kaohsiung four years ago? And the KMT has the gall to put him back in the legislature. Chiu himself even dared the government to put him in jail despite the fact that everyone in the country saw his illegal activities on TV. Extreme arrogance. How about the trashing of the CEC headquarters by the KMT following the election four years ago. There is a disturbing pattern that the KMT members believe that they are above the law.

And what happened of that raid? What was the result of that raid? Why did they go on that raid? More importantly did they actually enter the offices? Are they representative of all the KMT?
Four year's ago now are of relevance but apparently your opinions from 5 year's ago don't matter. Hmm Hypocrite.

Now, there are serious allegations that long-time KMT legislator has dual-citizenship, in violation of the law for government officials. When will it end?

It's utter bull**** and a non issue. STemming from shear jealousy by you pan greens to make an issue out of a non-issue for the sole purpose of inflicting political damage to the KMT so as to discredit them because already in the last 2 weeks the KMT in power has already done more to secure economic prosperity and peace across the straight than you guys have done in the last 12 years.

Typical KMT desire to have its cake and eat it too. They drag PResident Chen through the mud last November for doing nothing to ease fuel and food prices. He does what they want him to do, but AS SOON AS MA IS ELECTED, they decided that they don't want the policy anymore because it makes them look bad, so they try to bring his name through the mud again. Isn't working as well this time because many people remember the KMTs advocacy of the policy last November and see the stand for the hypocrisy that it is. And of course, with the mismanagement this week of the price hike - along with the Taichung city councilor, Diane Lee, and now apparant back-tracking over the textbook policy, the KMT has had a really bad first eleven days in power.

Hang on again, I ask you, and please answer with a straight answer, WHO has the authority to make any change to gas prices? The legislature of the executive branch?
Mismanagement, sorry, not raising prices would've been mismanagement.

 

[jfuh]

Gee - KMT hubris continues.

Now, Miaoli is looking to spend FIFTY MILLION NT Dollars (1.6 million US dollars) to build a museum dedicated to Ma Ying-jeou. Heck, in the US, they want until a president leaves office to build museums to them, not looking to build them in their first MONTH in office. Furthermore, they are looking to hoodwink tourists into thinking that Ma Ying-Jeou (born in Hong Kong, NOT in Taiwan) somehow has connections to a village in the county because nearly all of the people there share the surname Ma (馬 - which means Horse in Chinese). Unbelievable.

Was Eisenhower born in Kansas? Miao Li wants to build a museum to Ma, that's their prerogative, you want to build a Chen museum, that's your prerogative. Again, a total non-issue.
What are important political issues, Mainland, economic stability, social stability, trade, inflation. Are you dealing with any of these issues? No you're still in the highschool mindset of who's the prom king popularity contest and ignoring the actual social and political issues that face Taiwan because you guys have no solid long term strategy. All you have are ad hominens. Dual citizenship - :roll: nearly a third of the nation, yourself included, have dual citizenship.

Perhaps the KMT should focus on governing and cleaning up their act, and if they do a good job, THEN build a museum to their leader.

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Please, spare me the partisan pan green rhetoric from Taipei Times. Truth of the matter is the KMT is far cleaner than your DPP buddies.
Which is interesting, I continuously hear you bitching about how corrupt the KMT is but I never ever hear you say the same about your DPP? Why did the DPP loose the last two major elections and what charges has Abian been indicted on again?

 

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Wait wait wait...I thought horse was "uma"....

But you are right. The Museum thing is actually kind of "out there". Anyhow, if Ma was born in Taiwan, why is he allowed to be president? I know Taiwan is not the US but, I would have deduced that given the circumstances of the ROC's creation, the people wouldn't want any person from China to be president of their country

Expand the initials of ROC and pay attention to the last word. What does that C stand for and you will understand why the ROC has Chinese as president.

 

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So we all knew the price was going to rise, anyone in power would've raised the price to better reflect true market value of petroleum and it was raised a few days earlier all of a sudden it's a nightmare? :roll: Truth of the matter is it wouldn't have mattered if it was raised on June 1st or Teusday last week, you would still be bitching about it and complaining that it was badly handled no matter what because you can't see beyond your partisan rhetoric on the issue.

You have no idea what is happening here. You should just stay on the other side of the Pacific. This whole incident is yet another example of how the government can't be trusted. It said one thing, then at the last minute, it makes changes that greatly inconvenienced the people of Taiwan. Last Tuesday night was a nightmare during rush hour. FOrtunately, it didn't affect me as I was on the bicycle. However, the lines at gas stations were spilling out into the street creating even worse than usual traffic snarl-ups. Wednesday morning, nearly every car driver I knew was upset at the incompetant way this was handled by Premier Liu.

The crowd lining up to get gas, oh yeah, like that would really do anything to help - mass hysteria that's all it is. And two days later on Thursday anymore lines? Hardly and yet Taiwan still has the lowest gas price of a non-production nation in all of Asia that still doesn't truly reflect the market value. If it were I I would've raised the prices all the way to completely reflect the true value of petroleum.

No lines because the prices had gone up. The problem was Tuesday night and the incompetance of the KMT government. As for Taiwan's gas prices, it is still low in this region, which is a good thing. However, people are still not very happy about it. Figures the KMT now using the same argument about gas prices being lower than Korea or Japan that the DPP was using last year. Yet, that same argument was lampooned by the KMT. Same old hypocrisy by the KMT government. Hmm - now, how about a little TEXTBOOK hypocrisy?

And what happened of that raid? What was the result of that raid? Why did they go on that raid? More importantly did they actually enter the offices? Are they representative of all the KMT?

Just indicative of the attitude of the KMT - as if they are entitled to break the law or something. Of course, you will stick up for every thing they do - how about the KMT goon who took some of his friends into a WOrld Cup baseball game last year WITHOUT TICKETS and threatened the poor hapless ticket person that he would lose his job if they didn't let him and his fellow KMT thugs into the stadium!

Four year's ago now are of relevance but apparently your opinions from 5 year's ago don't matter. Hmm Hypocrite.

Hmm - so, you would JUSTIFY the illegal actions of Chiu Yi that put the lives of policemen at risk? Hardly the same as someone changing their mind on an issue after actually looking beyond the propaganda.

It's utter bull**** and a non issue. STemming from shear jealousy by you pan greens to make an issue out of a non-issue for the sole purpose of inflicting political damage to the KMT so as to discredit them because already in the last 2 weeks the KMT in power has already done more to secure economic prosperity and peace across the straight than you guys have done in the last 12 years.

NON-ISSUE?!?!? A legislator illegally holding duel-citizenship is a NON-ISSUE?!?!? How laughable. If it were someone in the DPP, you would be all over it like a bee on honey! As for economic prosperity, Taiwan is set to experience higher inflation this year than it has during any time during the Chen administration.

Hang on again, I ask you, and please answer with a straight answer, WHO has the authority to make any change to gas prices? The legislature of the executive branch?
Mismanagement, sorry, not raising prices would've been mismanagement.

Hang on again - who initially advocated the policy? Who criticized President Chen for not doing anything about rising prices, then who criticized him for doing exactly what they wanted him to do? Typical KMT duplicity.

No comment on the proposed Ma Museum?

 

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Was Eisenhower born in Kansas? Miao Li wants to build a museum to Ma, that's their prerogative, you want to build a Chen museum, that's your prerogative. Again, a total non-issue.

If I want to build a museum to President Chen with my private money, that is great. However, the magistrate of Miaoli wants to use taxpayer's funds to do this. Typical KMT hubris.

What are important political issues, Mainland, economic stability, social stability, trade, inflation.

And right now, they are failing on all of this issues - especially inflation, which President Chen had under control.

Are you dealing with any of these issues? No you're still in the highschool mindset of who's the prom king popularity contest and ignoring the actual social and political issues that face Taiwan because you guys have no solid long term strategy. All you have are ad hominens.

Ha ha - keep dreaming. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. The KMT is goofing up royally in its first two weeks. Only, you are on the WRONG side of the Pacific to see how the people on the street feel about it.

Dual citizenship - :roll: nearly a third of the nation, yourself included, have dual citizenship.

Am I in the legislative Yuan? It is illegal for members of the LEgislative Yuan to be dual citizens. So, you are defending the illegal actions of a KMT legislator?

Please, spare me the partisan pan green rhetoric from Taipei Times. Truth of the matter is the KMT is far cleaner than your DPP buddies.

Please - I can't bear so much laughter in one post. The KMT is the most corrput political party in the history of Taiwan.

Which is interesting, I continuously hear you bitching about how corrupt the KMT is but I never ever hear you say the same about your DPP? Why did the DPP loose the last two major elections and what charges has Abian been indicted on again?

Hmm - has he been found guilty? How many KMT thugs have been charged AND found guilty. And, there are still investigations on Ma still pending and will resume after he is ousted from power in four years.

 

[ludahai]

Expand the initials of ROC and pay attention to the last word. What does that C stand for and you will understand why the ROC has Chinese as president.

Was Ma born in the ROC? Having said that, there is no provision in the constitition that was imposed on Taiwan regarding the status at birth. Ma was NOT an ROC citizen at birth, but in the context of the presidency here, there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about that. UNLIKE a KMT legislator perhaps having US citizenship.