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New policy requires on-field players, personnel to stand for anthem

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ATLANTA -- NFL owners have unanimously approved a new national anthem policy that requires players to stand if they are on the field during the performance but gives them the option to remain in the locker room if they prefer, it was announced Wednesday.

The policy subjects teams to a fine if a player or any other team personnel do not show respect for the anthem. That includes any attempt to sit or kneel, as dozens of players have done during the past two seasons. Those teams will also have the option to fine any team personnel, including players, for the infraction.
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NFL owners approve new national anthem policy

What a bunch of BS. Another example of Roger Goodell and his goons acting like capitalists fascists. If the NFL players had any courage, they would strike.

All the NFL cares about is money.
 
Bucky said:
NFL owners approve new national anthem policy

What a bunch of BS. Another example of Roger Goodell and his goons acting like capitalists fascists. If the NFL players had any courage, they would strike.

All the NFL cares about is money.
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Let us be clear. The NFL is a private organization and can make decisions as to particular standards of conduct by its employees which they can choose to follow or not if they wish to be employed within the league. And the League has come to understand that their bottom line has been hurt with this politicization and they are moving to put out the fire before it spreads too far. If the NFL wants to force its players to stand respectfully for the anthem that is their call.

And if players want to strike and protest this, that is their prerogative. And if the league wants to replace those athletes who strike with players who are happy to stand for the National Anthem in exchange for multi-million dollar salaries, that is their prerogative as well.
 
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Well the NFL is in the money making business, it's what they do. Though viewership has been dropping the past couple of years.

In general, they go to make a profit. I think this has even come at the cost of the integrity of the game itself, but this is nothing new.

Will players strike over something like this? I doubt it. They are getting paid a lot of money to play a game, and this sort of political demonstration may not be worth the loss of income for the players. If the NFL wants to do this, they can. I don't think it would matter largely one way or the other.
 
Bucky said:
NFL owners approve new national anthem policy

What a bunch of BS. Another example of Roger Goodell and his goons acting like capitalists fascists. If the NFL players had any courage, they would strike.

All the NFL cares about is money.
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The players won't strike over this. They're in it to make money, too. This is no more egregious than any other workplace rule an employer makes.
 
Moon said:
The players won't strike over this. They're in it to make money, too. This is no more egregious than any other workplace rule an employer makes.
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Would you be ok if your employer demanded that you stand for the allegiance every day before work?
 
Bucky said:
NFL owners approve new national anthem policy

What a bunch of BS. Another example of Roger Goodell and his goons acting like capitalists fascists. If the NFL players had any courage, they would strike.

All the NFL cares about is money.
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The players, union, have a few options but ultimately the NFL is a private organization and being for profit it part of that mix... like it or not.

But the bigger issue is no one was talking about this much when 3 (‘ish) players were doing this, then Trump gets elected and it spins out of control to the point that advertisement and ticket sales were arguably impacted.

The NFL was going to do something, that should not surprise you.

The question is what should they be doing to make you happy?
 
vegas giants said:
Would you be ok if your employer demanded that you stand for the allegiance every day before work?
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As a matter of fact I would be ok with that.

And if I wasn’t, being into the free market I would have to decide if I want another employer or if it’s worth it to put up with it
 
vegas giants said:
Would you be ok if your employer demanded that you stand for the allegiance every day before work?
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I probably wouldn't care one way or the other. If it became a personal issue for me I'd go work somewhere else. If I was making millions of dollars a year to play a game, I could probably put up with a lot.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The players, union, have a few options but ultimately the NFL is a private organization and being for profit it part of that mix... like it or not.

But the bigger issue is no one was talking about this much when 3 (‘ish) players were doing this, then Trump gets elected and it spins out of control to the point that advertisement and ticket sales were arguably impacted.

The NFL was going to do something, that should not surprise you.

The question is what should they be doing to make you happy?
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It ain't the players that pop a couple hundred or more for a ticket or buy the beer.

You don't piss off your customers.
 
Bucky said:
NFL owners approve new national anthem policy

What a bunch of BS. Another example of Roger Goodell and his goons acting like capitalists fascists. If the NFL players had any courage, they would strike.

All the NFL cares about is money.
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If the players find the terms of their employment too difficult to abide by, I would suggest that they find another place of employment. Maybe Arena Football or learn to play rugby.
 
Moon said:
The players won't strike over this. They're in it to make money, too. This is no more egregious than any other workplace rule an employer makes.
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Agree because they know most of the owners would just bring in college players to take their place. They would be more than happy to and I suspect Goodell would allow it.
 
OrphanSlug said:
The players, union, have a few options but ultimately the NFL is a private organization and being for profit it part of that mix... like it or not.

But the bigger issue is no one was talking about this much when 3 (‘ish) players were doing this, then Trump gets elected and it spins out of control to the point that advertisement and ticket sales were arguably impacted.

The NFL was going to do something, that should not surprise you.

The question is what should they be doing to make you happy?
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Thats a good point. I suspect had just a few players done this nothing would have been done. But since Trump tweeted about it and the players responded by lots of them kneeling it made it political. One could argue someone can kneel for religious reasons but probably not political. Politics have no business legally in private companies in the US.
 
pilot16 said:
Thats a good point. I suspect had just a few players done this nothing would have been done. But since Trump tweeted about it and the players responded by lots of them kneeling it made it political. One could argue someone can kneel for religious reasons but probably not political. Politics have no business legally in private companies in the US.
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Our opinions are not that far off.

When just a few joined Kaepernick this was not near enough of an issue for the NFL to have to deal with, then it became so political that the NFL had no choice. You are right that Trump’s own involvement in this, even if with just a Twitter rant or two, made this a fiasco. More and more players got in on the “protest” and all hope was lost on something reasonable happening (if it ever could anyway.)

Advertisement, ticket sales, attendance, viewership, being in the news for all the wrong reasons, etc. all were arguably impacted, and since we are talking about a business then ultimately a business decision had to be made over a political issue.

All avoidable, but we are way past that now.

And best I can tell this is not a stand for the anthem or be off the team sort of thing, just a stand for the anthem or stay in the locker room. The “protest” can still be made, just not the same way Kaepernick went about it (I might be wrong on that, the news sources on this are all over the place.)
 
pilot16 said:
Thats a good point. I suspect had just a few players done this nothing would have been done. But since Trump tweeted about it and the players responded by lots of them kneeling it made it political. One could argue someone can kneel for religious reasons but probably not political. Politics have no business legally in private companies in the US.
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How do you tell what reason they are kneeling for if they remain silent about it?
 
vegas giants said:
How do you tell what reason they are kneeling for if they remain silent about it?
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Because so few did it prior. It wasnt until Trumps tweet that so many then did it. Of course then a month later they stopped kneeling. So it was obvious. Those three or four who originally were doing it probably would still be there doing it had it not become front page decisive news. NFL, which is essentially a private company, had to then intervene and decide what can and cant be done.
 
pilot16 said:
Because so few did it prior. It wasnt until Trumps tweet that so many then did it. Of course then a month later they stopped kneeling. So it was obvious. Those three or four who originally were doing it probably would still be there doing it had it not become front page decisive news. NFL, which is essentially a private company, had to then intervene and decide what can and cant be done.
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You are guessing. Can they fine them for not singing during the anthem?
 
vegas giants said:
Would you be ok if your employer demanded that you stand for the allegiance every day before work?
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Ever been in the military, or know anyone that was, or is? If you weren't, just ask anyone that was or is, what they're required to do when they're walking or driving on base or on post, and the flag is either raised or lowered, and they hear To The Colors, or Retreat sounded.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Ever been in the military, or know anyone that was, or is? If you weren't, just ask anyone that was or is, what they're required to do when they're walking or driving on base or on post, and the flag is either raised or lowered, and they hear To The Colors, or Retreat sounded.
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That is the UCMJ which is not subject to constitutional review
 
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