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New labor plan: Nationwide protests

rocket88 said:
Just saying that when their stated goal is "change for the better" that doesn't really sound so evil. I'm skeptical as to whether they'll be able to produce that...
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Kind of like Hope and Change. Sounds really nice, but would have been nice to know what it meant.

I wonder what their "better" means?
 

The plan does not revolve as centrally around the 2012 elections as the SEIU’s political program did in 2008, when it was the largest outside supporter of candidate Obama
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SEIU reported spending $85 million on politics in 2008, including the independent expenditure program and a massive mobilization of its own members
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Personally, I would love to see upward mobility of our underpaid, hard working (yes, they still do exist in great numbers even in low paying jobs) citizens. I think that a solid middle class can only benefit our country as opposed to the growing polarity that is growing evident. I do however believe that this responsibility should fall on workers, in true grass-roots fashion. I just find it very disingenuous when the leading fiscal donor for Obama's election is the driving force.

I fully support publicly funded elections, a MUCH shorter legislatively regulated campaigning window, as well as end to corporate personhood. This would, in my opinion, create a much more honest election process.

Based on these beliefs I feel it would be hypocritical of me to support the union being the driving force in a "the end justifies the means" sort of way.

I believe questioning and challenging your government is essential, but the responsibility should, again, fall on the workers instead of the facade of a "grass-roots campaign."
 
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chevydriver1123 said:
I was talking to my dad (who is an IBEW member) this morning about this crap. My dad's words exactly

"The whinny bastards need to shut the **** up and get back to work"

New labor plan: Nationwide protests - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
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About 11% of the population are union members now. There are countries in our history that did not allow unions but I can't say I ever had the desire to live and work in one of them. Our own history was most unpleasant for workers before collective bargaining. I think we abandon unions at our own peril. Especially at time that has also seen the passage of Citizen's Unlimited.
 
So where is this evidence that Unions are the ones causing the problems with the state budgets?
Last time i checked unions are agreeing to cuts they just want to keep their collective bargaining rights..
Question is where is the CEO's pay cuts? The hierarchy's cuts?
 

You made some good points... I did note Barbtx and Apdst thanked this post... Something tells me they don't understand what you're actually saying... :2razz:
 
apdst said:
All the while his dad reaped those benefits, he more than likely wasn't a whiney bastard and went to work everyday and did his ****ing job.
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Impossible. Everybody in unions are lazy
 
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Barbbtx said:
Kind of like Hope and Change. Sounds really nice, but would have been nice to know what it meant.

I wonder what their "better" means?
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Exactly. Sounds nice, but let's see what happens.
 
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