kaya'08
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-- one of the best statesmen of living history, Sir Winston Churchill --
I've read a lot of historical reprises that tried to paint him out as some kind of villain, that his past showed weaknesses and character flaws which demean him as a figure - however nothing can take away the fact that he led us through our darkest hours, that he brought together an alliance to defeat the Germans and that we did not lose the war. I listened to the broadcast with hairs standing up on the back of my neck.
I've read a lot of historical reprises that tried to paint him out as some kind of villain, that his past showed weaknesses and character flaws which demean him as a figure - however nothing can take away the fact that he led us through our darkest hours, that he brought together an alliance to defeat the Germans and that we did not lose the war. I listened to the broadcast with hairs standing up on the back of my neck.
Churchill IS a national hero for how he led the nation through such difficult times, especially the period of isolation (1940-1941). This doesn't make him some kind of saint. He was a wartime leader and Britain was lucky to have found someone with a bit of genius for motivation and morale building. He was not any kind of genius as a peace-time leader. In that he was seen as divisive and a leader not for the whole nation but for the ruling class. That is why, just one month after VE Day, he was so comprehensively defeated in a General Election. His utterly forgettable second period as PM (1950-1955) bears testament to the idea that wartime and peacetime require utterly different skills and abilities, perhaps that's what makes figures such as FDR and Lloyd George more exceptional politicians than Churchill. Churchill was a great wartime leader, not a great politician.
-- And to the Poles he's the man who reneged on Britain's promise to fight a war for Poland and handed their country on a plate to Stalin.
In that he was seen as divisive and a leader not for the whole nation but for the ruling class. That is why, just one month after VE Day, he was so comprehensively defeated in a General Election.
But that remark proves what I mean about leftist hangups about class, in much the same spirit as right wing extremists put everything on race. (Indeed, people on the fringes of both these classes have even wanted war based on them!)
That's not what I said. I said you need to see the 1945 GE through that prism, not EVERYTHING.But to see everything through the prism of class is to be as bad as those who see everything through the prism of international conspiracy theories.
From what I remember at school, the reason people voted Labour at the end of the war was because Labour promised a post-war period of reform and rebuilding.
Ordinary people had more faith that Labour cared about and reflected the cares of their class, not to just spitefully whack the toffs and Aristos as the hard Left say.
Exactly 70 year to this day, one of the best statesmen of living history, Sir Winston Churchill, made this famous speech. It instilled hope and glory into the hearts of all men and gave us strength to go fourth and destroy the heartless, cancerous Nazi regime.
The fight was testament not to the British planes, or the British guns and bullets; but to the British heart, her national unity and her desire for peace.
While Europe crumbled under the magnificent terror of the Nazi regime, the British fought hard and long on every land, on every sea, and on every continent.
A recording of Winston Churchill's speech will be played at Whitehall at 1552 BT, exactly 70 years after the speech itself. It will be followed by a Spitfire and Hurricane fly-past over Whitehall.
Now there's an irony - a bloke with a hammer and sickle flag romanticising over good old England, even the Empire bit!
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THERE'LL ALWAYS BE AN ENGLAND? Not with the EU about to dismantle it, as their own blueprints prove!
EU wipes England off the map - as Gordon Brown flies the flag of St George over Downing Street | Mail Online
New EU map makes Kent part of same 'nation' as France - Telegraph
TREASON, TREASON, TREASON!
Hehe, you wouldn't believe the places I've been through near-on five decades of life -- I've managed to make pro-Russian/Soviet/French/British/EU/Socialist/Tory/Labour a political career.
This makes you undecisive, confused, and without conviction.
Good Christ do I hate the English.There'll always be an England
While there's a country lane,
Wherever there's a cottage small
Beside a field of grain.
There'll always be an England
While there's a busy street,
Wherever there's a turning wheel,
A million marching feet.
Red, white and blue; what does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud, shout it aloud,
"Britons, awake!"
The Empire too, we can depend on you.
Freedom remains. These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There'll always be an England,
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me!
Say whatever you like, mate.And what would your attitude be if I was to say that about the Americans (as many liberals rush to do)?
Or the Muslims?
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