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Never Forget: The Old Guard Remembers 9/11

Only commissioned officers are navigators. Enlisted personnel are not navigators of ships and planes. Pilots are officers in whatever the service to include Army Warrant Officers piloting heloes. Navigators direct the ship / plane on its course to its destination / target.

Navigation is not an NCO expertise in the Naval Services or the Air Force. In the Army and the Marines Land Navigation does involve NCOs but military Land Navigation is not the exclusive NCO calling. Throughout all the armed services staff officers and officers in command do geographic operational planning and execution of battle plans, not the NCOs.

Military sea and air navigators specifically need a degree in an accepted major field from an accredited degree granting institution of higher learning. All military officers need a degree (sooner or later).

NCO's who have no clue press the buttons instead and pull the levers while lower enlisted personnel keep their tools and carts handy. It's a team effort of interdependence and mutual trust. To include inter alia the military necessity and time tested factors of status, rating, strata, education and training.

The inarticulate hit and run post about "where the ship goes" is trite and a cliche'. It says nothing of value or significance. In other words it is a typical run of the mill post by the miller poster. After 20 years in.

In British service, it was common for sergeants to be pilots of RAF aircraft

But since WW2, all pilots/navigators are officers.
 
Fun and Games in The Old Guard....

The Amazing Bayonet Charge | 3rd Infantry Regiment​

Regiment Teams Compete in Various Events | Some Regular, Some Not​

In Washington DC & at Marine Base Quantico Virginia​




1,400 Views Jul 29, 2024 MARINE CORPS BASE QUANTICO

Watch as teams of Old Guard Soldiers compete to see who can call themselves winners of The Amazing Bayonet Charge. This event combines tradition with competition. This unique event commemorates the regiment's successful bayonet charge in The Battle of Cerro Gordo during the Mexican-American War in 1847. With bragging rights on the line, Soldiers bring out their best in order to come out on top.

In the Battle of Cerro Gordo Heights overlooking Mexico City the 3rd Infantry Regiment was the advance force in Gen. Winfield Scott's fighting march on the Mexican Capital City. US Naval forces under Captain Matthew Perry had landed Gen. Scotts Army at Vera Cruz on the Gulf in a spectacularly successful amphibious operation that deceived the Mexican defenders flatfooted. Mexican forces held out for only several dayze under the brutal fire of Perry's siege guns reassembled ashore and that flattened the walls of the city facing the sea.

When the 3 IR arrived at the perimeter of Mexico City it had expended its ammunition killing Mexican troops. The regiment colonel ordered a bayonet charge that seized possession of the heights at which point the Mexican president knew they had lost the war. After Mexico surrendered to Gen. Scott he ordered a victory parade through the city. The appreciative Gen. Scott put the 3 IR at the lead of the parade and when the regiment approached the review platform Scott turned to his staff and said, "Gentlemen, take off your hats, here comes The Old Guard." Widely reported in the press across America, the nick given by the popularly known and admired Gen. Scott stuck.
The War Department authorized the 3 IR TOG henceforth to pass in review with its bayonets fixed.

In the video I like in particular forming circles to make contact with the right hand, then the left then try to get loose and free ha. The tear gas chamber is a hoot, reassembling various weapons while wearing the protective mask which has no relation whatsoever to the task -- then removing the mask to recite "The Old Guard Creed" that falls apart fast haha. Then at the end spreading out all MREs Meals Ready To Eat to take this, that and the other thing to make the winning delicacy ha. There's the obstacle course too and stuff. Officers, NCO and grunts participated to include Col. Rowland the CO who we get a good look at around 9:30 -- just standing there.





Tomb Guard & SGT Commander of the Relief | Tomb of the Unknown Soldier

To Old Guard Cobbler | Making Shoes Into Ceremonial Footgear

3rd US Infantry Regiment | The Old Guard | Joint Task Force - National Capital Region of Washington DC


44,593 Views | Apr 30, 2025




Meet Staff Sgt. Chadwick Winget, an Infantryman with the 3d U.S. Infantry Regiment "The Old Guard." In his spare time, he developed an unexpected passion for cobblery—just in time to answer a unique call to duty. Watch to discover how this Soldier became the Old Guard Cobbler and the craft behind his service. 👞🇺🇸

Since filming, Winget has transitioned out of the Army to pursue a Bachelor's degree in Applied Management with an Art Concentration and Minor in Native Alaskan studies at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks. We know his transition will be successful and we wish him luck in his entrepreneurial ventures!

Yeah, this troop was in the 82nd Airborne Infantry Division, then spent three years assigned to Alaska, a tour in Iraq, at which point he volunteered for the 3 IR where he was in Charlie Company for a year -- which qualified him to apply successfully to become a Sentinel at the TUS for three years during which he became S/SGT commander of the relief. In Chad Winget's instance, Be All That You Can Be became quite the journey ha.

All the Washington DC armed services ceremonial units wear unique shoes made for the task. Wood heels with horseshoe cleats on 'em, a metal strip inside each heel for the click against the wood, and a cleat at the toe to drag on forward march. Outside in the video is at the review platform of Summerall Parade field with Old Guard billet buildings on the north side of Sheridan Drive that go company by company in a long row down to our left.
 
Camp Followers.

Two.

Pulling in viewers for the wrong reasons. To date it's 12,000+ views to the thread and popular theme. The count goes on.
 
Remembrance and memorials....


US Marines and German Soldiers Unite | To Remember Fallen Soldiers at Belleau Wood | WW I​

Major General Robert B. Sofge Jr., Commander U.S. Marine Corps Forces Europe and Africa​

8,500 Views | Premiered May 24, 2025




In a powerful moment of remembrance, U.S. Marines and German soldiers from the Franco-German Brigade came together at the German Military Cemetery in Belleau Wood, France, on May 24, 2025.

The ceremony marked the 107th anniversary of the Battle of Belleau Wood—a historic World War I battle that showcased the bravery and sacrifice of countless Soldiers. The wreath-laying ceremony served not only as a tribute to the fallen heroes but also as a symbol of unity between nations that once stood on opposite sides of the battlefield and now stand together as allies. Witness this emotional tribute honoring the legacy of courage, sacrifice, and the enduring peace forged through shared history.

All these troops are regular force troops, not ceremonial or honor guard troops. It looks like the German Army troops might have been selected because they seemed to understand MJG Sofge as he shook hands with each of 'em and spoke well to 'em in English. Or they could just be nodding and smiling ha and saying "Yes SIR."





2025 National Memorial Day Parade Washington DC | Constitution Avenue​

Ceremonial Marching Platoon of Each Armed Service | US Army Band | Joint Service Color Guard​

6,120 Views May 28, 2025




The specialized marching platoon of each armed service ceremonial guard comes forward at 4:40 of the parade. Ahead is an Army Old Guard Caparisoned Riderless Horse with boots turned backward to indicate a fallen Soldier. The Colonel of the Army 3rd Infantry Regiment The Old Guard at Ft. Myer across the Potomac, who is commander of the parade military division, leads the platoons with his joint service staff commander of each service's ceremonial guard.

This is the first Memorial Day Parade for the Space Force Guardians Honor Guard. Because the Space Force has finally formed up its Ceremonial Honor Guard there are six marching platoons instead of the historical five of 'em -- three specialized marching platoons in front of the Joint Service Color Guard and three of 'em backing up the colors. The three in front are the Army, Marines and now the Navy; the three backing up the Colors are the Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard. With the 5 services it used to be Army, Marines, Colors, Navy, AF and CG. The order of march and seniority is determined by the date Congress created each service (except for the Coast Guard created in 1790). I see that in this parade the Army marching platoon is led by its platoon sergeant instead of its LT platoon leader. TOG Command Sergeant Major marches with the Colors.

During the platoons' time on camera they ripple change shoulder arms, placing their rifles on the right shoulder from their left shoulder arms. The leader of the Army platoon up front times the changes of shoulder arms. The big building right there is the National Archives which is directly across from the USN Memorial Plaza to the immediate right of the camera. When the camera looks to our left we see the main buildings of Justice, Commerce, Interior, Agriculture on the Constitution Ave side with their front on PA Ave the next block north.

The Old Guard Fife & Drum Corps appears for a minute at 25:30 of the vid. This is good, that the FDC is separated from the main marching unit of the armed forces guards. This is long long overdue. Because with the FDC at the rear of the formation of marching platoons, and the Army band up front, the Air Force and CG marching platoons always had to struggle in the mix of music right behind 'em and out front of 'em to keep their rhythms and even to stay in step. This kills that simultaneously conflicting music that was a curse each time for the AF and CG marching platoons.
 
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Camp Followers.

Two.

Pulling in viewers for the wrong reasons. To date it's 12,000+ views to the thread and popular theme. The count goes on.

Who are you talking to?

And why derail the thread?

Never Forget: The Old Guard Remembers 9/11​


And 12k views? Since Sep 9, 2023

I see a thread with 1M views since Mar 30, 2022. Or 4K since Mar 17, 2025. Or maybe 16K since Apr 20, 2023.
 
Camp Followers Will and Do Follow.

Since 2014.

My suddenly disappeared original Military Cadet thread had 42,000+ views when it was vanished and declared irrecoverable. So far with my Military Cadet Extension Thread I started afterward lightning hasn't struck twice. Knock on wood for this also highly successful Old Guard thread and theme. I am indeed grateful and appreciative to the viewers.
 
Camp Followers Will and Do Follow.

Since 2014.

My suddenly disappeared original Military Cadet thread had 42,000+ views when it was vanished and declared irrecoverable. So far with my Military Cadet Extension Thread I started afterward lightning hasn't struck twice. Knock on wood for this also highly successful Old Guard thread and theme. I am indeed grateful and appreciative to the viewers.

Your "suddenly disappeared original Military Cadet thread" died because you ****ed up.

And 42,000+ views wasn't particularly special given its lifespan.
 
Army Chief of Staff General James McConville pumps up The Old Guard Regiment for its official annual anniversary run to honor the 248th Army birthday, at Ft. Myer in the Military District of Washington DC.
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The regiment formed up in the parking lot of Summerall Field which is across Sheridan Drive where the regiment's brick billets stand in a long row. The colonel regiment commander is seen with the regiment colors, looking at McConville from behind the flag.





The Old Guard Regiment executes the Army's official birthday run at Ft. Myer. The run was led by Gen. McConville at the right and the Col. CO of the 3rd Infantry Regiment beside him.

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The regiment is shown jogging up Buffalo Soldier Road to Arlington Heights at Ft. Myer. The run includes moving through Arlington Cemetery which is off to the right, through its Ft. Myer Gate. At this point the regiment has exited the Cemetery to reenter Ft. Myer through its Wright Gate. Orville Wright tested the first military biplane at Ft. Myer viewed and approved by Pres. Taft. Founded in 1861 as a vast Cavalry post, Ft. Myer gave way to post WW II urban sprawl from Washington to become a place of brick general officer housing and the 3 IR brick billets.





Army Birthday Run at Ft. Myer​





Soldiers from across the Joint Force Headquarters-National Capital Region, Military District of Washington, and Joint Base Myer Henderson Hall gathered together on the morning for an esprit de corps run in celebration of the U.S. Army's Birthday. (Video by Spc. Lauren Wheeler)
 
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