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Neocons are wrong - Iranians Want Democracy

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For thos who think that this is a battle between fundamentalist Islamics and even more fundamentalist Islamics, and are tempted to dismiss the goals of these protests...they're wrong.

Commentary: Iranians want more democracy - CNN.com

In a poll conducted three weeks before Iran's June 12 vote, our nonprofit organizations found a consensus among Iranians, including almost all of those who told us they would vote for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And that consensus is that Iranians want a truly democratic system.

Given Iranians' own priorities for their government, the events of the past few days may ultimately weaken President Ahmadinejad's standing -- even among those who did vote to re-elect him.

In fact, our survey found that more than 86 percent of Iranians who said they would vote for Ahmadinejad also chose ensuring free elections and a free press as among the most important priorities they have for the Iranian government.

...Let us be clear: Our polling indicates that the government's actions run counter to the priorities of almost all Iranians, including its own supporters. And our survey shows beyond dispute that Iranians of all political persuasions want more democratic freedoms, not less.

[/Nearly 80 percent want the right to vote for all their leaders, including the all-powerful supreme leader, while nearly 90 percent chose free elections and a free press as the most important goals they have for their government -- virtually tied with the top priority of improving the Iranian economy.

And here is the most important fact of all: More than 86 percent of those who told us they support Ahmadinejad also choose free elections and a free press as their most important priorities for their leaders. In other words, in our survey, Ahmadinejad supporters back real democratic reforms in Iran as much as supporters of the more avowedly reform candidate Moussavi.

Yet the government's actions since the election may have changed the debate in Iran from being about candidates to being about democracy. While we do not know whether the election results were rigged, the government's handling of the election itself runs counter to principles of democracy, free press and free elections -- goals our polling shows almost all Iranians, whether or not they support Ahmadinejad, strongly support.

Moussavi appears to understand this. Yesterday in a massive rally in Tehran, Moussavi stated as much, saying "The vote of the people is more important than Moussavi or any other person."

Meanwhile, the subsequent killing of protesters by government security forces will likely only work against Ahmadinejad and by extension now, the supreme leader, even among more than 86 percent of their supporters.
 
Re: Neocons are wrong - Iraqis Want Democracy

Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite:

1984 – tehranbureau

My generation is tired of being disillusioned. We refuse to accept the status quo and we have risen up in defiance. I am not sure how long it will take for the totalitarians to crush our resistance. For now though, we’re holding up just fine. We’re holding up fine even though our brothers at Basij and the police are murdering their dear fellow Iranians. We’re holding up even though you bash us with clubs and batons and try to suffocate us with your tear gas.
 
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What's a neocon?
 
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Thanks dude, and sorry for posting in the wrong place.
 
It would help if the ever eloquent President Obama would use that eloquence for something more than a political Hallmark card and stake a stand, stop hedging his bets and do what the always inarticulate President Bush did during the Ukrainian Orange revolution, unequivocally support the Iranian democratic movement.

He will get no brownie points from the theocratic thugs should they hang on for attempting to play the all wise friend of all sides.
 
As long as it involved no physical intervention from the US I agree
 
Catz-With all do respect what does being a NEO-Con have to do with Iran, as a matter of fact it's the NEO-Cons who have been backing this whole uprising and trying to get Mr. Obama to be more firm on it.

As for the question what is a NEO-Con I give you this answer via Wiki,
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism]Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
She could be referring to the Iranian N/C, neocons are not the sole domain of America
 
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As long as it involved no physical intervention from the US I agree

Absolutely. Obama has a unique opportunity here, his verbal support for the democratic movement can not be played as an US militarist ploy against Iran as he opposed the Iraq war and offered the Iranian theocrats and olive branch.

But Obama needs to learn how to use the rhetorical stick as well as talk softly.

There is no military solution here on behalf of the Iranian democratic movement, they have to fight their own fight, but we can let them know we are on their side. Which is really, our side.

Just support for those brave Iranians who want to determine their own future.

Afterall, what does human rights mean if not that?
 
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