If they have all female crews, then they need to have crews that are physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Same as men.1. and if you had and all female sub? There are very few women who could lift one of those pumps....
Why would it be 'hard as hell'? It's really quite simple to set standards of physical requirements for PEOPLE to serve on a sub and then abide by them. Do they let men serve on a sub who can't lift a measly 50lbs?You crack me up......Before you get all defensive......It does not make a rats ass whether women serve on subs or not.............I am just telling you from what I know about it though my experience it would be hard as hell to accomplish....Now go take your attitude to your room........
I knew a women was going to be fairly aggressive at the stated truth. Do you understand that a women is not as capable as a man because men produce more testosterone. That helps out a great deal for adapting to carrying large weights on a regular basis and getting accustomed. The average adult male produces 40 to 60x's more testosterone than a women. And just so you know I don't hate women or disapprove of them serving in the armed forces. I just have a firm believe that some areas belong to men only. And testosterone production is one of those things that helps back me up on why a sub should be a men's only area unless the female volunteers for a position in the sub that isn't as hard to work in. Also, the female form is not the problem it's biological. Which you won't get.
Blah blah blah :roll:
If a woman is capable of performing the tasks required, there is no reason for them not to be allowed to do so. Will there be fewer women than men? Well duh. Of course there will be. But there is absolutely no reason to disallow any PERSON who is capable of performing the tasks required.
Now, when you can show me that it's physically impossible for any person of the female gender to perform the tasks required on a sub, then you may have a leg to stand on. As it is, though, you do not.
So...what happens when people become pregnant? I'm not sure you can just pull the sub over and let people off.
They probably have doctors on boards just in case someone injures himself,surely they can add baby doctor,midwife training,pediatrician and so on.:lol:
WTF?blah blah blah you are discriminating against me because i am a man.
Really now? So there's no woman that can do the physical tasks required on a sub? Seriously? That's your stand?i didn'y say that a women shouldn't be allowed on a sub i said that they cannot do the physical things that a man can no matter what you may believe
So when they lift a measly 50 or 100lbs, they're going to have to stay in bed for a day or something? What are you going on about? I've worked in very physically demanding industries most of my life. I've done jobs and performed tasks that most of my male customers couldn't do. I didn't notice any of us gals requiring any longer "recovery time" than any of our male peers. Just a simple 8hrs of sleep.and also their bodies take longer time to recover from stress because testosterone helps in aiding muscle to recover faster and because women don't produce a lot of it. they are going to be more prone to injuries.
absolutely. who cares if more of our people die, so long as we back in the civilian world don't have to suffer from liberal guilt because somebody somewhere was still putting efficiency and mission accomplishment ahead of identity group politics?
If all you're going to do is avoid answering questions, there isn't going to be that much to listen to.
I'm fine where I am. Are you confident enough in your understanding to answer my questions?
You said that before, or at least words to that effect. My response now is the same as it was then - so what? Judge each individual equally, regardless of gender - you will get less women than men, but you will not be discriminating unfairly. At the moment, you are.
Edit: ditto @Gray Fox
It takes a special kind of person to serve on a fast attack or a trident sub...When they go to sea they are underwater for up to 90 days....Never seeing the sunshine or the light of day.......I don't know why anyone would want to serve on one let alone a woman.....I have been out to sea for up to 90 days and that was bad enough but at least when knock off ships work was called at 1600 I could go back on the fantail of the ship and have a cup of coffee...Can't do that on a sub....
If they have all female crews, then they need to have crews that are physically capable of performing the necessary tasks. Same as men.
Why would it be 'hard as hell'? It's really quite simple to set standards of physical requirements for PEOPLE to serve on a sub and then abide by them. Do they let men serve on a sub who can't lift a measly 50lbs?
The dirty part of my mind just came to the fore.
Must....resist....posting....further....
When they babies submerge they stay submerged until their patrol is over.........
Like female firefighters have to be strong?
That is why the senior officers are gutless..........If you ask them on the record a lot of them will say go for it, they can do it..........If you ask them off the record its a different story.....They know not agreeing with the big shots could be the kiss of death for a promotion or even their career........
I am sorry I didn't like the way you'd write blah blah blah. it was offensive to meWTF?
No. There are but they can't do the extra heavy stuff.Really now? So there's no woman that can do the physical tasks required on a sub? Seriously? That's your stand?
ok, but isn't just the heavy lifting its the psychological attack of being submerged and not seeing the sun and staying in close quarters.So when they lift a measly 50 or 100lbs, they're going to have to stay in bed for a day or something? What are you going on about? I've worked in very physically demanding industries most of my life. I've done jobs and performed tasks that most of my male customers couldn't do. I didn't notice any of us gals requiring any longer "recovery time" than any of our male peers. Just a simple 8hrs of sleep.
I can prove it as there has never been a women in a submarine before!Additionally, proper training on how to prevent injuries would be prudent for both genders, regardless.
Now, can you prove that no woman can perform the required tasks on a sub?
Neither can most men.No. There are but they can't do the extra heavy stuff.
Seriously?ok, but isn't just the heavy lifting its the psychological attack of being submerged and not seeing the sun and staying in close quarters.
Logic fail.I can prove it as there has never been a women in a submarine before!
Women on a submarine worked for Tony Curtis.
For example . . .
YouTube- Operation Petticoat Preview
[Trivia Fact: Tony's daughter Jamie appeared in the TV version of Operation Petticoat.]
Of course I wouldn't mind. You either trust your partner, or you do not. Why the **** would the 'powers that be' take into consideration whether or not the partners of their enlisted trusted them or not?I would ask you if you would mind if your husband if you had a husband served on a submarine with females but knowing you I think I already know the answer.....Most wives would be dead against it and trust be the power at be would take that into consideration....
Too bad for youI am sorry I didn't like the way you'd write blah blah blah. it was offensive to me
What 'extra heavy stuff'? And do you have proof that no woman can do this 'extra heavy stuff' and that ALL men can? Is this 'extra heavy stuff' required work on a sub?No. There are but they can't do the extra heavy stuff.
And?ok, but isn't just the heavy lifting its the psychological attack of being submerged and not seeing the sun and staying in close quarters.
No, all that proves is that no woman has been given the chance. Before women were given the right to vote, no woman had ever voted. That wasn't an indication that women were physically/mentally incapable.I can prove it as there has never been a women in a submarine before!
Not Army Generals. They will overturn DADT llloooooonnnngggg before they ever let women into the infantry.
You can take that to the bank.
Although Army regulations bar women from infantry assignments, some females are detailed to accompany male infantry units to handle searches of Iraqi women. Recently Rangers, the elite infantry force in the US Army, has been open to women.
Stupid, dumb, misguided and bad.
That's what this idea is.
Subs are small, their crews, smaller. What happens when they lose a gal cause she's pregnant? Eh? Say... 2 weeks before deployment? Hard to replace her with a well trained person ready to go. Happened on the Inchon quite a few times, we'd deploy and have departments and divisions short manned cause of this. And now we'll lift the ban on SUBS!
Oh screw reality, readiness and all that mean evil ****, let's be PC!!!
Whatever, glad I'm out and more so glad I ain't on subs, this would just piss me right the **** off.
"We're sorry Petty Officer Vicchio, you're just gonna have to do more work and work harder cause Seaman Jones and White are both pregnant and can't deploy with us. We'll TRY to get someone on in Hawaii and you'll have plenty of time to train them up. I know I know, ya'll have 8 people and just lost 2, but hey we're a diverse Navy that doesn't discriminate, change your attitude mister!"
Sometimes, I REALLY hate people.
Navy will soon let women serve on subs
Navy will soon let women serve on subs
I think the time has come to allow women to serve in all areas of the armed services, including subs.
I think I read that women were allowed into Ranger training.
Women in the military - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I am not sure if it's a generational thing or what but I have a very hard time with women serving in combat, flying fighters, bombers, fighter-bombers, or any aircraft directly involved with combat. I see this serving on subs by the "fairer" sex as nothing more than an attempt to use the military as a social experirment. And NO I do not see the issue of women serving in combat or subs as the same as the racial intergration of the armed forces.
This is not an issue of gender bias it's an issue of biology!!!
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