NATO allies agree to higher 5% defense spending target

[jmotivator]

Hasn't happened.
Well, there was that Falklands Islands thing but for NATO to get involved the attack has to happen in Europe or North America.

Then you really can't argue that the US is a "shitty ally". The US power deterrent has made sure that other global powers have shied away from attacking other NATO states. You're welcome.

No they can't. There's no route to expell a member.

Yes, they can. This mechanism for removal is in the 1969 Vienna Convention on Treaties. If a nation is determined to not uphold it's obligations to NATO, the Vienna Convention would give NATO members the grounds to nullify the member state's membership.

That increased commitment is preparing to go ahead without the biggest member, preparing for American irrelevance.

Cool. You say that like it's a punishment for the US.

And it had nothing to do with Trumps request.

Which isn't what the head of NATO just stated. He thanked Trump for making it happen.

The 5% of GDP target is actually higher than what America spends on defense.

Yeah, now all of the other member states get to figure out how to maintain a budget while spending a lot of money on defense. Have fun!

That also means that the US will up it's military spending to 5% of GDP as well, I guess. That's another $400+ billion to the US military budget.

There's a new alliance forming. Prime Minister Carney arrived in Brussels ahead of the NATO summit to sign into the EU military agreement. Also...

"Other non-EU nations, including the United Kingdom, have already struck their own strategic agreements. Australia signalled last week it has started negotiations on a deal with Europe."

Again, you say that like it's a punishment for the US. Have fun taking over as world police. I'm ready for the US to retire.

America is being worked around.

Uh huh. Like I said, good luck with all that.

The US with it's trillion dollar military budget can focus it's attention elsewhere.

 

[Bullseye]

They played him. They were going to raise spending anyway to counter Russia and because America under trump can’t be relied on. They stopped him leaving the treaty with a ten year promise he probably won’t be alive to see realized. Then they flattered him because he (and his fanboys apparently) are so damn easy it only takes a little ego stroke to keep him on side.

They probably just need to hold on till after the midterms when hopefully there are more constraints on Trump’s superpower, which is to **** everything up unilaterally.

Nonsense. They'd been short changing their defense spending for years before Trump.

 

[Raven484]

I agree with a lot of what Jmo posted above.
I read a lot of posts and most of them that are from outside the US bash Trump for being stupid and a terrible leader. That's cool, not my opinion but I understand it.
But do our friends from outside the US even realize that the village idiot manipulated them into doing exactly what he and most Americans want.
Jmo is right, the US needs to step back and not police the world.
If you want us out of Nato, great. Nato is a joke to me because as long as we are in it, we will, if down the road you guys run into some problems and it effects our interest, we will help out.
You guys have some great social programs in place because you didn't have to worry too much about defense spending, its our turn to start spending some of that money on us, god knows we can use it right now. So thanks for stepping up for us.

 

[Bullseye]

I agree with a lot of what Jmo posted above.
I read a lot of posts and most of them that are from outside the US bash Trump for being stupid and a terrible leader. That's cool, not my opinion but I understand it.
But do our friends from outside the US even realize that the village idiot manipulated them into doing exactly what he and most Americans want.
Jmo is right, the US needs to step back and not police the world.
If you want us out of Nato, great. Nato is a joke to me because as long as we are in it, we will, if down the road you guys run into some problems and it effects our interest, we will help out.
You guys have some great social programs in place because you didn't have to worry too much about defense spending, its our turn to start spending some of that money on us, god knows we can use it right now. So thanks for stepping up for us.

I always that Trump's threat to get us out of NATO was a bluff; and apparently Europeans under our value to the alliance that do many americans

 

[Revelation]

NATO allies agree to higher 5% defense spending target​

Of course they did. They know they need the US and they'll agree to his demands.

maybe more money is needed because things are going to get very very Expensive very very soon my friends.

(do you know how much 12 days of war cost us? of course not, you may wanna know that first)

You are boring the shit out of us and are therefore dismissed.

you may wanna pay attention to what is coming to pass very soon, as in 'staying wide awake' my friend.

now, WAKE UP sheep....

NATO Re-Ignites Path to WW3 ​

Despite claims that peace is near, everything coming out of the NATO summit screamed "escalation."


@Allan perhaps a mention concerning WW three may do the trick for you ???

let's try some more my friend....



The UK is now acquiring jets capable of carrying nukes—and warning citizens to prepare for war on home soil. And Zelensky? Seated front row at the NATO summit, even though Ukraine isn’t a member.

Trump is the only one calling for de-escalation. The rest are pushing the world toward nuclear war with Russia—while calling it peace.



and no, this will not work Allan, when we are on a War footing, that is the only direction this will go. take time to dig yur Bunkers this weekend friends, or go a little deeper just in case. you know.


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[Revelation]

Big, bad Canada has been taking Americas lunch money for years!
And Trump has been giving it to us!

not to worry, you not bad enuf. now hand over yur country please

thank you...and call it 'The Technate'.

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[Revelation]

The old order was the US carrying the load and the Europeans slacking off. If anything, good came out of the war in Ukraine, it was the Europeans working out that they should be contributing more and perhaps building their own rapid reaction force and logistics capabilities.

yes Mag, because 'War is peace'.

is that the 'good coming out of the war in Ukraine' perhaps?

maybe i check with the Ministry of Truth, be right back.

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[Revelation]

When’s the last time NATO actually opposed a war the US really wanted?

The US said “jump” and Canada and the rest asked “how high” on their way up.

the US is the military arm of the New World Order.

Crock of bullshit. You're just making shit up and posting it.

Trump will take the US out of NATO and the sigh of relief from the whining noise ending will be heard throughout.

no he wont, see above. ^^^

The US is a spent force that doesn't realize it's impotence. Nobody in the world treats America like any kind of force. The US is ignored and excluded whenever world powers meet.

and then the Bunker Busters hit late one nite

we ARE the military arm of the new world order.

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[Raven484]

The US is a spent force that doesn't realize it's impotence. Nobody in the world treats America like any kind of force. The US is ignored and excluded whenever world powers meet.

Ok, so why don't you and your new buddies go to war with us and take our resources? Should only take a couple of weeks because we are so impotent.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

And which NATO countries were attacked and the US didn't show up?

I mean, NATO could vote out the US if they wanted, but seeing as how they just increased their commitment at the request of Trump, they are not as delusional on this subject as you appear to be.

Turkey

Attacked by Kurds from Iraq.

Terrorist attacks just smaller scale than 9/11

Great Britain Falkland islands, attacked by Argentina,

 

[JohnRawls]

Good to hear. 5% for European countries if over a long period of time will mean that US will no longer be the superpower since we will be running around 1.5 US budget in nominal and if adjusted for PP to some degree then around 2.2-2.4 US budgets. European military then basically will make US military look tiny.

 

[RenoCon]

And which NATO countries were attacked and the US didn't show up?

Turkey

Attacked by Kurds from Iraq.

This is a bit more complicated:
"Turkey’s military strike on Wednesday against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria — a group long regarded as the United States’ most reliable Syrian partner in its fight against the Islamic State — has been years in the making.

To Turkey, an important American ally and NATO member, those fighters are terrorists bent on undermining the Turkish government. But for the United States, they have been dependable allies who have died fighting alongside American soldiers."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/world/middleeast/turkey-syria-kurds-history-facts.html

Great Britain Falkland islands, attacked by Argentina,

"The Argentine military establishment had no trouble last week explaining why Britain was able to recapture the Falklands: massive U.S. military assistance...British officials emphatically point out that almost all the assistance made available to Britain by the U.S. was the result of longstanding agreements within NATO."

Just How Much Did the U.S. Help?

The Argentine military establishment had no trouble last week explaining why Britain was able to recapture the Falklands: massive U.S. military assistance. Despite the Reagan Administration's...

time.com

Lorrrrdy...Quite a fail!....Would you like to try Door #2?

 

[Rogue Valley]

Trump didn't persuade NATO nations to increase the alliance spending target as much as Putin forced them to do so.

Putin is exactly why Finland (2023) and Sweden (2024) said "To Hell with neutrality" and signed up as NATO's newest members.

The Ukraine war with its emphasis on artillery, drones, and anti-air capability is forcing many militaries to retool. Patriot systems are like gold.

A year ago not even the US had the manufacturing capacity to supply Ukraine with the requisite artillery shells. In 2025, the US will produce roughly 100,000 155mm artillery shells per month.

Still not enough, but a quantum leap forward. Another problem... as of today the US only has one 200 year old factory making artillery barrels. Nowhere near what would be necessary in a war with Russia, China, or NK.

 

[RenoCon]

Great Britain Falkland islands, attacked by Argentina,

And Canada's contribution:

"But he [External Affairs Minister Mark MacGuigan] said that did not mean Canada would toughen sanctions against Argentina or declare support for Britian's (sic) claim to sovereignty over the islands.

'This does indeed seem to be the effective end of the American mediation attempt and therefore, I suppose, of all mediation attempts at the present time,' MacGuigan said.

'I believe only the American government was in a position to influence both parties. It would seem that hostilities are about to begin.'

MacGuigan did not rule out the possiblity of Canadian military aid to Britain in the event fighting broke out, but doubted it would be necessary."

Canadian military aid to Britain in the Falklands dispute... - UPI Archives

Canadian military aid to Britain in the Falklands dispute is not 'theoretically impossible' but a British request for such support is unlikely, External...

www.upi.com

As an aside:
If you Google "Canada and Falklands" the only suggestion that shows up is "Canada and Fall season". You will need to look a little further to find any relevance of this NATO ally. You have been living rent free for too long. Time to pony up.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

This is a bit more complicated:
"Turkey’s military strike on Wednesday against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria — a group long regarded as the United States’ most reliable Syrian partner in its fight against the Islamic State — has been years in the making.

To Turkey, an important American ally and NATO member, those fighters are terrorists bent on undermining the Turkish government. But for the United States, they have been dependable allies who have died fighting alongside American soldiers."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/world/middleeast/turkey-syria-kurds-history-facts.html

"The Argentine military establishment had no trouble last week explaining why Britain was able to recapture the Falklands: massive U.S. military assistance...British officials emphatically point out that almost all the assistance made available to Britain by the U.S. was the result of longstanding agreements within NATO."

Just How Much Did the U.S. Help?

The Argentine military establishment had no trouble last week explaining why Britain was able to recapture the Falklands: massive U.S. military assistance. Despite the Reagan Administration's...

time.com

Lorrrrdy...Quite a fail!....Would you like to try Door #2?

Where is the fail

Turkey was attacked and the US did not offer support under nato

The UK had its territory invaded and the US just offered supplies.

The US was attacked and many countries send soldiers to assist

 

[Tangmo]

America will likely either refuse to meet its treaty obligations or worse case back Russia.

The USA armed forces will not join with Putin The Barbarian and his Barbarian Russia.

To "back Russia" is nebulous anyway due to its being vague and undeveloped as a thesis. Indeed, it's not a thesis because it is a reckless and passing throw away remark made on the run.

 

[Tangmo]

If you Google "Canada and Falklands" the only suggestion that shows up is "Canada and Fall season". You will need to look a little further to find any relevance of this NATO ally. You have been living rent free for too long. Time to pony up.

That's Arthur Anderson accounting for Enron and all of its fraud and corruption as both of 'em went under. And to the Big House. Trumph meanwhile is a wild animal against everyone he sees in both the US and abroad. The only thing Trumph knows is divide and conquer, same as his BFF Putin. MAGAs luv the whole of it.

 

[SayMyName]

The US is probably not going to comply with the Article 5 provision in the future so this increase by remaining countries will be crucial.

Canada is currently at 2% and Carney in an interview from Brussels committed Canada to reaching the target.

NATO allies agree to higher 5% defense spending target

The alliance agreed to more than double its defense spending target by 2035.

www.nbcnews.com