Nativity Scene/Atheist Sign Controversy

[Unrein]

It's simply because they haven't yet been challenged in court. The second they go to the Supreme Court, those constitutions will need to be changed.

Indeed.
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[Unrein]

I don't see how any that removes the prejudgement. Prejudice can be a very good thing.

It's removing prejudgment because the uniform and badge is sufficient evidence to support the belief he is a cop. The general definition and understanding of prejudice is judgement without sufficient evidence, which is inherently 'bad' in most people's perspective.

You are simply too liberal, too abstractly egalitarian and extremely universalist and rationalist, you cannot comprehend it. This is what PC liberalism does I'm afraid, it ties you in knots.

Do you need to rely on reandom, glib labels you pull out of your ass to give the delusion you are correct or something?

 

[Wessexman]

It's removing prejudgment because the uniform and badge is sufficient evidence to support the belief he is a cop. The general definition and understanding of prejudice is judgement without sufficient evidence, which is inherently 'bad' in most people's perspective.

No it isn't, it is prejudgment, that is why it is called prejudgment meaning judgement before hand.

Prejudice is not bigotry or superstition, although prejudice sometimes may degenerate into these. Prejudice is pre-judgment, the answer with which intuition and ancestral consensus of opinion supply a man when he lacks either time or knowledge to arrive at a decision predicated upon pure reason.
RUSSELL KIRK.

Do you need to rely on reandom, glib labels you pull out of your ass to give the delusion you are correct or something?

Touch a nerve did I.:lol:

Bloody liberals.

 

[Unrein]

No it isn't, it is prejudgment, that is why it is called prejudgment meaning judgement before hand.

"Hand" is a bit of a meaningless term to me in this context

Touch a nerve did I.:lol:

Not really no.

Bloody liberals.

Adorable.

 

[Wessexman]

"Hand" is a bit of a meaningless term to me in this context.

Man this is quite ironic, your operating out of pure prejudice right now.

As a PC liberal you can't comprehend prejudice being anything positive, or indeed anything except the second worse sin next to "bigotry",( this is a prejudgement of yours built into the extreme rationalism, universalism and egalitarianism of your ideology) and hence are blindly arguing against it at all costs despite the obvious fact you aren't really saying much and brought up definitions which agreed with me.

 

[Unrein]

Man this is quite ironic, your operating out of pure prejudice right now.

How so?

As a PC liberal you can't comprehend prejudice being anything positive, or indeed anything except the second worse sin next to "bigotry",( this is a prejudgement of yours built into the extreme rationalism, universalism and egalitarianism of your ideology) and hence are blindly arguing against it at all costs despite the obvious fact you aren't really saying much and brought up definitions which agreed with me.

:yawn:

 

[Wessexman]

How so?

Well that was in the bit below:roll:.

 

[Unrein]

Well that was in the bit below:roll:.

I don't think artless label-slinging ad hominems count for anything. Describe with substance related to my actual words how anything I said was prejudice.

 

[Wessexman]

I don't think artless label-slinging ad hominems count for anything.

Then stop doing it.

I've really rattled you haven't I. :rofl

I keep doing this to you, it is becoming a pattern. I know I rattle liberals very well, it is something of a hobby, but rarely do I do it this well.

Describe with substance related to my actual words how anything I said was prejudice.

I have, stop being evasive, it shows you can't respond to my arguments

 

[Unrein]

I have, stop being evasive, it shows you can't respond to my arguments

"You're a liberal and blah blah PC liberals are stupid you are stupid nah nah"

That doesn't count I'am afraid and if that's honestly the best you can do then I don't think this debate has anywhere left to go.

 

[Wessexman]

"You're a liberal and blah blah PC liberals are stupid you are stupid nah nah"

That doesn't count I'am afraid and if that's honestly the best you can do then I don't think this debate has anywhere left to go.

When have I ever said that? I actually attack liberals on important points of their ideology, if you can't deal with that then that is your problem. I see nothing wrong being aggressive towards the disease that is modern liberalism but I have almost always done it in a proper, mature way.

You are simply taking offense at my style of argument and my dislike for your ideology, well boo ****ing hoo.:lol:

Saying it is atomistic or statist or extremely universalist as part of an argument is not the same thing as calling it stupid.

Grow up.:2wave:

 

[Unrein]

I actually attack liberals on important points of their ideology, if you can't deal with that then that is your problem.

You are attacking a label and not my words. That is the problem.

I see nothing wrong being aggressive towards the disease that is modern liberalism but I have almost always done it in a proper, mature way.

Proper? No.

You are simply taking offense at my style of argument and my dislike for your ideology, well boo ****ing hoo.:lol:

I'am not "offended" what-so-ever, I'am irritated that you are avoiding objective debate.

Saying it is atomistic or statist or extremely universalist as part of an argument is not the same thing as calling it stupid.

Stop using labels as dissmissals, if you think a label has some substansive relation then elaborate and actually use words that mean something and have semantical value.

By the way, none of the labels you have tossed about thus far have anything to do with belief that prejudice is wrong.

 

[Wessexman]

You are attacking a label and not my words. That is the problem.

I attack the implications of your words, you do not post outside of history, your words have a context and consequence.

Proper? No.

Sure I have. What is not proper is whinging when someone argues aggressively.:2wave:

I'am not "offended" what-so-ever, I'am irritated that you are avoiding objective debate.

Except that is you, You are whinging about my aggressive, anti-liberal style rather than repyling to my posts.

Stop using labels as dissmissals, if you think a label has some substansive relation then elaborate and actually use words that mean something and have semantical value.

I do, I don't dismiss, that is your area.

By the way, none of the labels you have tossed about thus far have anything to do with belief that prejudice is wrong.

Sure they have.:2wave:

Now stop whinging and grow some cahunas.:lol:

 

[kamino]

State Capitol to display tree, manger, atheist sign | WNCT

Opinions?

I live in Wa. and it would seem to me that the Aethiest are morons. They posted there sign because of the Christmas tree, but I don't think any of them really did there research. It is unknown when or where the chirstmas tree was tradition started or why, there are many opinions, from it was origanly a pegan tradition and as far back as a 1000 years to a few hundred years. One thing is for sure though, it started in Germania. Oh by the way, today Christmas is not only a Christan holiday, many non christians (myslef included) practice it. We have another word for people who do this sort of thing in DP, its called trolling.

 

[First Thought]

I live in Wa. and it would seem to me that the Aethiest are morons. They posted there sign because of the Christmas tree, but I don't think any of them really did there research. It is unknown when or where the chirstmas tree was tradition started or why, there are many opinions, from it was origanly a pegan tradition and as far back as a 1000 years to a few hundred years. One thing is for sure though, it started in Germania. Oh by the way, today Christmas is not only a Christan holiday, many non christians (myslef included) practice it. We have another word for people who do this sort of thing in DP, its called trolling.

Correction: They posted their sign in protest of the nativity scene.

 

[kamino]

Correction, The nativity scene came out after the sign.

 

[First Thought]

Correction, The nativity scene came out after the
sign.

It was my understanding that the sign was a direct protest of the Nativity Scene. I'm too lazy to look it up though, but I'm okay with being wrong. :mrgreen:

 

[Unrein]

I attack the implications of your words

Don't. I'am not implying anything. I'am speaking to you literally and explicitly, perhaps you aren't used to it.

Sure I have. What is not proper is whinging when someone argues aggressively.:2wave:

I'am not whining that you are argueing 'aggressively' I'am whining that you argueing like a 5 year old, let's clear that little misconception up right away.

Except that is you, You are whinging about my aggressive, anti-liberal style rather than repyling to my posts.

Is this what you've been reduced to?

I don't dismiss,

That all you do. You didn't argue the substance of my words but instead rambled about "liberals" as a generalization that doesn't apply to me.

 

[Graffight]

You seem to think that you're the only one who rates freedom though. The religious have been able to force their idiocy on the population at large without dissent for far too long and now that some people are actually complaining about how one-sided the situation has been, you're whining about it. :roll:

dude, you act like Athiests have been trying to promote their cause and nobody has been listening. It's been one sided because only one side has been doing anything. why get mad about it now, and if you're really not trying to cause a ruckus and just trying to "get your message out" why not do it year around...seriously dude...it was an attack against Christian Christmas no matter what Christmas really is now a days, it was an attack...saying anything else was dishonest. Now was there anything wrong with them putting their message out there...no, but they knew good an well if they would have put a billboard up on any other day in any other place NOBODY would have paid any attention...simple as that.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Discussing Differences

"Discussing Differences"

I think it's cute how offended by someone believing their religion is a myth the Christians get, when conversely their belief is that we are filthy sinners who deserve to rot in Hell eternally for our beliefs.
Who should be more offended, really?

Religion deals in the principle of metaphor.

When it comes to the concept of eternal damnation, an eternal has the property of being and becoming (through some transition process), and a perceived antithesis of eternal statefulness (damnation) is a failure to perpetuate one's genetic existence.

Often authoritarianism, dictating collectivism, offers greater survival than individualism which seeks survival through alternative opportunity.

How is your birth rate?

 

[Cephus]

dude, you act like Athiests have been trying to promote their cause and nobody has been listening.

No, it's only been in the past couple of decades that it's been safe for atheists to speak up in large numbers. Prior to that, they've been shouted down, branded as Communists, ostracised, and historically, beaten and even killed for daring not to follow the dominant cultural religious delusion. I still run into many, many atheists who feel they have to hide their non-belief and pretend to be Christians in order to keep their jobs and community standing.

It's been one sided because only one side has been doing anything.

Sure, the side with all the power and the dedication to beat down any opposition. And I'm sure you're proud of that too.

and if you're really not trying to cause a ruckus and just trying to "get your message out" why not do it year around

Personally, I do. You've only been here for a month, I've been here for years. I can't speak for others, but it was no more an attack on "Christian" Christmas than the Phelps' family's "Santa Claus is going to drag you to hell" sign is an attack on "secular" Christmas. You can argue that it was a sign in bad taste and I might even agree with you, but as citizens, they have as much right to post that sign on public property as anyone else. Deal with it.

 

[Graffight]

No, it's only been in the past couple of decades that it's been safe for atheists to speak up in large numbers. Prior to that, they've been shouted down, branded as Communists, ostracised, and historically, beaten and even killed for daring not to follow the dominant cultural religious delusion. I still run into many, many atheists who feel they have to hide their non-belief and pretend to be Christians in order to keep their jobs and community standing.

This is probably (i say probably because I've never been exposed to the facts about this) true, and very unfortunate. This country was founded upon freedom of religion, and it sucks that Christians are not as tolerant as we are called to be...

Sure, the side with all the power and the dedication to beat down any opposition. And I'm sure you're proud of that too.

Not really...i hate being associated with the violent religious folk. That's part of what bothers me about you...you seem to lump us all together as if we are a bunch of mindless drones following some evil dictators will to destroy the world....and that's simply not true:2wave:

Personally, I do. You've only been here for a month, I've been here for years. I can't speak for others, but it was no more an attack on "Christian" Christmas than the Phelps' family's "Santa Claus is going to drag you to hell" sign is an attack on "secular" Christmas. You can argue that it was a sign in bad taste and I might even agree with you, but as citizens, they have as much right to post that sign on public property as anyone else. Deal with it.

You act like i disagree with your right to put up a sign...i'm merely pointing out that it is an attack on this particular day whether it towards the religion or towards the secular side. We don't see this type of billboard year around...it was a sales tactic (a pretty good one at that) and to say that it wasn't is a lie...

the Santa Clause is going to drag you to hell bit was very much an attack...in fact that attack was much worse than the atheist billboard.