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My journey from the right. Part 2... Sorta

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This will be a more concise thread wrapping up my thread here.


That thread focuses more my journey out of the conspiracy theory world. In this thread, I'll focus more on my shift from the right. I'm writing this as a way for those starting to question their own allegiance to the right to ask questions and get a better grasp of their own journey.


To wrap up my previous thread, I had to shed my beliefs in conspiracy theories before I was able to shift left. The prominent question I kept asking myself was "am I so arrogant to believe I know more than those who spent years studying the subject I have an opinion on?" That led me to seek out articles and videos countering my previously held beliefs. That led me out of the conspiracy theory realm of the right and into more mainstream conservativism. Now with mainstream conservativism, I was more staunch on my social conservative views than I was on my fiscal conservative views. I was more open to change my opinion in regards to healthcare and the minimum wage than I was on homosexuality and abortion largely due to my then religious beliefs. So when political commentators like Phillip DeFranco talk about the economy and provided evidence and sources as to why universal healthcare is far better and cheaper than private healthcare, I was more inclined to agree. With social issues, I was honestly far to busy pursuing my career field to care that much. At the end of the day, as long as you're a decent person, I really didn't care what you did or believe. That changed with COVID struck in 2020.

By this time, I was already not feeling too great about voting for Trump again because of his actions and statements regarding the second amendment (banning bumpstocks and saying "take the guns first and then due process"). The fact that mainstream conservatives were adapting the very conspiratorial ideologies I once held and then shedded really left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was under the impression that conservatives were the party of facts and logic and to see large swaths of conservatives adapting views once reserved for the fringe Alex Jones types was rather disheartening. What finally sealed the deal was J6. At the time, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump, but I wasn't going to vote for Biden either. Instead I voted third party for Jo Jorgensen since she aligned with my 2A stance more than the other two. The election came and went and I thought that things will largely blow over until J6. It wasn't so much of the event itself, which was unprecedented on its own, as it was the fact that many conservatives denied what I was seeing right before my eyes. From claims of ANTIFA being the actual perpetrators despite no one in the mob dressing or acting like ANTIFA (and again to go back to my conspiracy theorist days how would a bunch of people with presumably no tactical knowledge manage to all dress and act like MAGA supporters) to saying that it was a peaceful protest. That event and the conservative's response to the event was one of the final nails in the coffin for me to leave the right altogether.
 
Alex Jones
Phillip DeFranco

Your issue seems to be that you consume content via pop culture demagogues. Your understanding of political theory, philosophy, etc. is never going to go beyond the surface level at this level of analysis.

Genuinely not trying to be mean, but I don't really take people seriously if their main sources of information are poplitic slop content.
 
This will be a more concise thread wrapping up my thread here.

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/im-a-former-conspiracy-theorist-and-trump-supporter-ama.439102/

That thread focuses more my journey out of the conspiracy theory world. In this thread, I'll focus more on my shift from the right. I'm writing this as a way for those starting to question their own allegiance to the right to ask questions and get a better grasp of their own journey.


To wrap up my previous thread, I had to shed my beliefs in conspiracy theories before I was able to shift left. The prominent question I kept asking myself was "am I so arrogant to believe I know more than those who spent years studying the subject I have an opinion on?" That led me to seek out articles and videos countering my previously held beliefs. That led me out of the conspiracy theory realm of the right and into more mainstream conservativism. Now with mainstream conservativism, I was more staunch on my social conservative views than I was on my fiscal conservative views. I was more open to change my opinion in regards to healthcare and the minimum wage than I was on homosexuality and abortion largely due to my then religious beliefs. So when political commentators like Phillip DeFranco talk about the economy and provided evidence and sources as to why universal healthcare is far better and cheaper than private healthcare, I was more inclined to agree. With social issues, I was honestly far to busy pursuing my career field to care that much. At the end of the day, as long as you're a decent person, I really didn't care what you did or believe. That changed with COVID struck in 2020.

By this time, I was already not feeling too great about voting for Trump again because of his actions and statements regarding the second amendment (banning bumpstocks and saying "take the guns first and then due process"). The fact that mainstream conservatives were adapting the very conspiratorial ideologies I once held and then shedded really left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was under the impression that conservatives were the party of facts and logic and to see large swaths of conservatives adapting views once reserved for the fringe Alex Jones types was rather disheartening. What finally sealed the deal was J6. At the time, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump, but I wasn't going to vote for Biden either. Instead I voted third party for Jo Jorgensen since she aligned with my 2A stance more than the other two. The election came and went and I thought that things will largely blow over until J6. It wasn't so much of the event itself, which was unprecedented on its own, as it was the fact that many conservatives denied what I was seeing right before my eyes. From claims of ANTIFA being the actual perpetrators despite no one in the mob dressing or acting like ANTIFA (and again to go back to my conspiracy theorist days how would a bunch of people with presumably no tactical knowledge manage to all dress and act like MAGA supporters) to saying that it was a peaceful protest. That event and the conservative's response to the event was one of the final nails in the coffin for me to leave the right altogether.
CT theories about Trump tend to be true.

A great many things tend to be true.

This is a pivotal juncture in American politics and few recognize it.
 
This is a pivotal juncture in American politics and few recognize it.

This was almost certainly true in 2016, potentially true in 2020, but surprisingly unlikely in 2024.

By now, Trumpism has been subverted by Bushite tier neoconservatism. MAGA today presents as vulgar populism which sates the distress of the unwashed masses, but he governs like a Romney or McCain who like tariffs.

The only "new" development is the inclusion of technocrats like Musk, Vivek, Thiel, etc. It remains to be seen how influential these people actually are from a governing perspective.
 
This was almost certainly true in 2016, potentially true in 2020, but surprisingly unlikely in 2024.
That Trump would survive the attacks about 2020 and his presidency is very surprising.

That he would win convincingly is even more surprising.

Yet, here we are.

By now, Trumpism has been subverted by Bushite tier neoconservatism. MAGA today presents as vulgar populism which sates the distress of the unwashed masses, but he governs like a Romney or McCain who like tariffs.
This is bull:poop:

The only "new" development is the inclusion of technocrats like Musk, Vivek, Thiel, etc. It remains to be seen how influential these people actually are from a governing perspective.
Only?

Is it not enough?
 
This is bull:poop:

It really isn't.

Immigration was "worse" under Trump than it was under Bush. Obama ran against gay marriage. Bush was in the Middle East, Obama was in the Middle East, Trump is admittedly restrained (but still pays fealty to Israel and gaslights Iran). Safe to assume he's also hawkish in that theater for these reasons.

So outside of trade and rhetoric how can they be meaningfully be distinguished? They govern almost exactly the same. If anything, Trump is less radical from that perspective. The MAGA regime governed surprisingly moderately, despite what the television says.

Only?

Is it not enough?

Elite factions are sometimes in flux. How different things will be remains to be seen.
 
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