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Muslim Prayers In U.S. Public School Debated

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Here we go. The battle for cultural dominance in America officially begins.


Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20070702-9999-1n2prayer.html


Absolutely not!

This is an example of Islam not being like any other religion. It's a Super Religion and needs to be treated differently.

If we treat Islam as we do any other religion it will dominate the USA.

If a Christian or Jew had raised the prospect of prayer in school the liberals and ACLU would have laughed all the way to court.

But now that Muslim students want to pray there are special circumstances which make prayer in the school suddenly alright.

'Yes, it's because they HAVE to pray at certain times of the day as part of their religion.'
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And that makes it different than OTHER religions, doesn't it?

We have to stop including it with other religions.

In the meantime give ALL students prayer time or no students prayer time.

Period.
 
Since it is NOT an after school program and it interferes with classroom procedure it should be shut down. Most schools allow prayer in lunch and recess because that doesnt disrupt the class. If the parents have a problem with that, send their kid to a religious school. As for your separate but equal crap your bigotry shows yet again but why am I not surprised.
 
um ...... *really takes a moment before he posts*

...Put yourself in the kid's shoes. Do you honestly think these muslim kids want to pray during school? I can almost guarentee that they will be made fun of because of it. No, their religion is not something they should be ashamed of ... but does that make it okay that we put them in that position?

No, it doesn't. If they want to pray, they are going to pray. Do not dictate the lives and will of others. They will have their own opinion outside of political agendas. They will start on the streets and make their way accross the bridge just like every other minority. Back off.

I'm a neo-pagan. *GASP!!!*
Are you going to give me official time during the day to pray too?
I didn't think so.
You don't see me crying about it.
 
Would such a fus be made if it were reciting the hail mary?
The fundamentalist religious right have been fighting for prayer in the school ok, so now muslims are praying in the schools and so it's now a problem? It doesn't work both ways ppl. You want prayer in the school this is what's going to happen.

Please keep your religions out of my democracy.
 

You have a lot to say but unfortunately I can't tell what your point is.
 

Nice :spin:
 
How about a moment of silence for everyone to say whatever they want to say? That should satisfy everyone. Right? Our sports programs use that method and everyone seems ok with it.
Maybe some of the football players use that moment of silence to say, hey whoever you are up or down there please don't let my A$$ get kicked in this game.
 
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Where were all of these helpful suggestions when the issue of Prayer in Schools was being discussed before?

Seems we are getting really creative all of a sudden trying to figure out how to allow Islamic culture to be introduced to the schoolhouses of America. But some of you were strangely absent during the Christian prayer in schools debate.


The Jihadists and others seek to help Islam re-establish once more its world leadership. This is just one step of thousands of steps that will be taken toward that end.
 
jfuh said:
Would such a fus be made if it were reciting the hail mary?
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Hopefully

The fundamentalist religious right have been fighting for prayer in the school ok, so now muslims are praying in the schools and so it's now a problem? It doesn't work both ways ppl. You want prayer in the school this is what's going to happen.
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But from the Right's perspective Christians aren't allowed to. Either no one should be allowed to or everyone.

Please keep your religions out of my democracy.
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Second.
 

Very well put.
 

How about no moment of silence, and kids who want to pray can do so at their lunchtime, or before 1st class, or during study hall (if they still have that), or after school.

Public schools have no place setting up time for prayer. And they don't need to because school kids have plenty of opportunities to pray to their God during the day, as long as they don't disrupt classes.

Anyway, why a moment of silence? Is it impossible to pray if someone somewhere is talking? Does it make sense to force all people within your hearing range to shut up because you desire it that way, for your own personal needs?
 
The push for Muslim prayer rooms or prayer times, seems logical considering that many schools allow Christian prayer rooms. Unfortunately this is what happens when you have people that demand Christianity in every aspect of society.... It allows other religious fundies through the back door.

This is why secularists may be hated by Christian conservatives, but at least strong secular postions would actually prevent various religions poping up in every aspect of people's lives.

I have always believed that many Christian groups don't understand that every time they battle secularism, they are actually fighting on the side of Islamic fundementalists. What many Christian fundementalists fail to see is that if they are given the precendent of excess to government property then so can the Islamists. You can't allow Christian groups in the government arena, but then say that Islamic rituals are not allowed because America is a Christian nation..... But if you are strongly secular it means that no religion has special treatment.

Just love how Christian fundies always bash secularists, but this time it has been the aggressive push by Christians to get religion in the public sphere, that has allowed the Islamists to follow on their coat tails....

If only people would realise that secularism is the greatest neutraliser of religious threats.....
 

Secularists? Where have they/you guys been so far in trying to stop the Islamist aggression?

You haven't even recognized til yesterday (exaggeration to make a point) that there WAS a threat. And before that you (speaking collectively) were ragging on every thing anyone said about the threat as well as the WoT.

And while we are at it, let's all take a good long look at the situation that exists.

Muslims are told that Islam must regain it's leadership of mankind. And as we watch Islam take one tiny step after another, none of them supposedly worth getting riled up about, 10 years from now we might not even be able to fly the US flag in America for fear of upsetting Muslims.



From Sayyed Qutb's, "Milestones"

 
Australianlibertarian said:
The push for Muslim prayer rooms or prayer times, seems logical considering that many schools allow Christian prayer rooms.
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Link? I've never heard of such a thing.

And to respond to the OP - that's clearly a first amendment violation if it happened as the aide claims it did. If not, it still sounds quite likely that there would be a problem, depending on how they implemented reasonable accommodations for the students.
 
Christian prayer rooms perhaps no. But
the rest of this argument is quite solid.
 
The same people who argue so rabidly and viciously for Christian prayer in schools argue just as vehemently against any other religion being represented. The hypocrisy is epic.
 
Do your praying either before or after the bell rings. Simple as that.
 
Gunface said:
The same people who argue so rabidly and viciously for Christian prayer in schools argue just as vehemently against any other religion being represented. The hypocrisy is epic.
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If, in addition to being just a religion, Islam is also a form of government, isn't that like allowing kids to pledge allegiance to Communism in school?
 
Bkhd, you talk about "if muslims were told" such and such. Do you really think muslims are that uniform of a group? I mean, you have Shiites, Sunnis, Wahabis, Sufis, Druzis, Ismailes [sp, i'm sure]. And none of these groups come even close to having a unified leader like the pope. What you're saying is like saying "if jews were told". Pull your head out of your nethers.
 
Him and his ilk are making the excat identical mistake they made roughly 60 years ago. They treat muslims as a united front as they treated communists as a united front, where as in reality they were anything but. Mao and Stalin were notorious for not seeing eye to eye on way too many a things.
Just as today, Shiites and Sunnis; hell these two have been at difference for more than a thousand years.
 
This is great. I always enjoy when something bites religious right-wingers in the rear. It's one of the small pleasures in life. And I'm even a spiritual person.

Anyways, when I was in highschool, we had a moment for silent meditation in the morn. I don't have a problem with that. I can't really see why anyone would. If you do, fine.

I once took a class with a Reagan appointed circuit court judge. His opinion on this matter was simple, elegant, and workable.

Pray silently at school if you need to pray at all. I, and he, don't quite know why someone has to pray at school by speaking.

As for someone who has to pray at a certain time, pray silently. Or is there an islamic/jewish/christian/whatever requirement that one pray aloud?Otherwise, get your prayin' done early, at lunch, or after the bell.

I mean, seriously, EVERYONE has to give something up to live in a relatively free society. Deal with it.

In my view, our goal, as americans, should be to be able to live with the least amount of interferance in our private lives from the government as possible while still having that minimal amount of order necessary for a civil society. Even then, we still have to give up something. Deal with it.
 
Dhimmi Watch: San Diego Public School Stops Scheduling Class Time For Muslim Prayer Here is an update on the story. prayer This says Muslims are only required to pray twice a day. Doesn't matter, ours is a secular Government, Religion is irrelevant.
 
I'm a member of the church of RC, where we worship the god of Cola to grant us power after death to slay the Coca-Cola factions. However, my Holy Book ("The Royal Crown") says that I must pray 50 times daily in ten minute intervals. If the law is going to be consistent, they better interrupt class and let me pray.

No bright line. That's one argument against school prayer of any kind that has yet to be falsified.
 

RC Cola was and always will be the best.:mrgreen:
 
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