Musk's feedback on Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill"

[Luckyone]

On the "Big, Beautiful Bill"​

In Washington, federal workers say that DOGE has left the government's operations in disarray. And worst of all, it might have all been for nothing. Musk claims to have saved the government $175 billion so far (nowhere close to his original target of $2 trillion, or even his revised target of $1 trillion).

And that was before the president's new spending bill passed the House. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the president's proposed budget will add $3.8 trillion to our debt over the next ten years. It's now being debated in the Senate.

Musk said, "I was, like, disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the budget deficit, doesn't decrease it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

I said, "I actually thought that, when this 'big, beautiful bill' came along, it'd be like, everything he's done on DOGE gets wiped out in the first year."

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

 

[aociswundumho]

Wow, Trump saying one thing (to get people's votes) but doing the opposite? Is that what the Republicans support?

Yep, and so do Democrats. Obama promised to close guantanamo bay, but changed his mind once in power. Biden promised no new drilling on federal lands:

As a final decision drew near, media attention and public interest increased dramatically, with a petition urging President Biden to "say no to the Willow Project", having been signed by more than 2.4 million people after widespread attention on TikTok. On March 13, 2023, the Biden administration approved the project.

To answer your question, both parts of the duopoly tell voters what they want to hear, and then do the opposite once in power.

 

[ataraxia]

Yep, and so do Democrats. Obama promised to close guantanamo bay, but changed his mind once in power. Biden promised no new drilling on federal lands:



To answer your question, both parts of the duopoly tell voters what they want to hear, and then do the opposite once in power.

This is a little like saying the common cold and the Ebola virus are the same thing because they’re both types of viruses.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Anyone with even half-a brain had to realize that Trumps 2025 tax reform bill would be much like his 2017 tax reform bill....

Big tax breaks for the wealthy/corporations, paid for by the middle class and the poor, while adding many trillions to the federal debt/deficit.

That's what Republicans always do. Take from the middling 98% and give to the wealthy 2%.

 

[Luckyone]

Yep, and so do Democrats. Obama promised to close guantanamo bay, but changed his mind once in power. Biden promised no new drilling on federal lands:



To answer your question, both parts of the duopoly tell voters what they want to hear, and then do the opposite once in power.

I am a realist and I understand human nature and that is exactly why I am 100% against Trump. This statement is not about defending the Democrats, given that they also have done many bad things that they should be criticized for.

Having said that, the extremes are what is the worst that can happen and not only is Trump and extremist, but the Republican party is now under control of the extreme Right, as well.

Trump is doing exactly what needs to be done to make it an extreme bad. He is getting rid of the parts of government that have to do with restricting bad actions. When you do that, you open the door for extreme bad to occur. In addition, he is giving more power and money to the extreme right so that the changes can become permanent or at least damaging to the point where solutions are close to impossible or totally impossible.

The left is not at the extreme. To begin with, people like Sanders and Warren (the extreme left of the Democrats) are not in control. Biden, during his entire career, has been a Centrist, meaning not the extreme. The same goes for Harris.

They are a problem (for different reasons) but not to the extreme. They are what is "normal bad" in the political arena. As such, their actions do not do as much harm as Trump's (for example).

At this point, when you compare problems created, it is easy to compare as the extreme is what you want to get rid of. Once you do that, the comparing who is least worst (or best) between the parties can be done.

Right now, Trump is clearly the absolute worst and that problem has (not just needs) to be solved before any talk about what party and what representative (the president) is better or worse for the nation.

 

[Michael Cole]

Yep, and so do Democrats. Obama promised to close guantanamo bay,

"You won't close Guantanamo if you don't fight like hell."

but changed his mind once in power.

Biden promised no new drilling on federal lands:

"Gas is $1.98."

To answer your question, both parts of the duopoly tell voters what they want to hear, and then do the opposite once in power.

There are many categories of lies, some of which are merely mistakes. You seem to be putting them all into one neat pile.

 

[Lycanthrope]

There are many categories of lies, some of which are merely mistakes. You seem to be putting them all into one neat pile.

It's the time honored "eh, both sides are gonna screw us so waddya gonna do" defense of the partisan who has no other means of justifying their support for idiocy and corruption.

 

[Michael Cole]

It's the time honored "eh, both sides are gonna screw us so waddya gonna do" defense of the partisan who has no other means of justifying their support for idiocy and corruption.

Bringing up arctic drilling and Guantanamo is interesting. I would have brought up Nixon. Many have. Nixon was a choir boy in comparison. Case closed.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Bringing up arctic drilling and Guantanamo is interesting. I would have brought up Nixon. Many have. Nixon was a choir boy in comparison. Case closed.

Was just thinking this morning that if Trump had run for the Republican nomination in the 1990s he would have been laughed off by conservatives as a clown and a reprobate.

 

[Michael Cole]

Was just thinking this morning that if Trump had run for the Republican nomination in the 1990s he would have been laughed off by conservatives as a clown and a reprobate.

Back when Bill Gates was the world's Elon Musk. I'm thinking now how little I remember of the '90s. Lol.

I hated Gingrich but had great respect for HW and Bob Dole. I voted for Bush in '88, but Clinton in '92. 1996 was very close, but I stuck with Clinton.

Through 9/11 and two wars, what I thought was insanity is child's play compared to what happened in 2008. Myself, I voted for the deeply respected and experienced John McCain. Nothing against Obama. I liked what I had seen to that point. I just didn't see Obama as having the experience of McCain.

We know what happened, but what would have happened if McCain had won? Would Trump have been possible? Trump's campaign began in 2010 with the Kenyan birth certificate and ran six years, reaching the level of congressional concern at some points. If McCain had won, we could have avoided Trump, but would that have simply hidden latent racism in this country?

Yeah, Trump was laughed off in 2016 by all the candidates. He continues to be laughed at by everyone but his supporters. For better or worse, the mask of the country is off.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Back when Bill Gates was the world's Elon Musk. I'm thinking now how little I remember of the '90s. Lol.

I hated Gingrich but had great respect for HW and Bob Dole. I voted for Bush in '88, but Clinton in '92. 1996 was very close, but I stuck with Clinton.

Through 9/11 and two wars, what I thought was insanity is child's play compared to what happened in 2008. Myself, I voted for the deeply respected and experienced John McCain. Nothing against Obama. I liked what I had seen to that point. I just didn't see Obama as having the experience of McCain.

We know what happened, but what would have happened if McCain had won? Would Trump have been possible? Trump's campaign began in 2010 with the Kenyan birth certificate and ran six years, reaching the level of congressional concern at some points. If McCain had won, we could have avoided Trump, but would that have simply hidden latent racism in this country?

Yeah, Trump was laughed off in 2016 by all the candidates. He continues to be laughed at by everyone but his supporters. For better or worse, the mask of the country is off.

It is easy to accept the argument that the election of Obama was the flashpoint for the rise of the fringe right.