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Mueller is about drop another shoe ...

Media reports are that a new indictment is about to be announced from the Mueller investigation.

SPOILER: its not Trump.

We've known since Obama was president that Russia was hacking and trying to influence our election. Is this the best Mueller can do after spending millions and millions of dollars, indict a bunch of Russians who will never be brought to trial for something we already knew in the first place? What an effing waste of both time and money.
 
When did Trump tell the intelligence' cyber security specialists to stand down ??

when did he give the order to attack the Russians in the same way.....all of his Intelligence heads who were appointed by him gave testimony that he had not directed them to do this.....I think to protect is in the oath of office!!
 

I am sure you feel the same way about the Benghazi investigations that spent millions upon millions and found zero!!!!! I do believe Manafort, Papadolpoly , Gates (who was part of the entire campaign and transition team) are not Russians.....#pullyour head out of your arse
 
when did he give the order to attack the Russians in the same way.....all of his Intelligence heads who were appointed by him gave testimony that he had not directed them to do this.....I think to protect is in the oath of office!!

Why an order be public ??

All those intelligence heads don't need to be told to do the job they were appointed to.
 

You have no response to my post, just more drivel and personal attacks.
 

You are being too picky in your criticism and that lowers the value of your opinion.

Even Roger Stone himself admitted that he is likely the person the indictment names as a person passing information.

The indictment charges that the conspirators “received a request for stolen materials from a candidate for the U.S. Congress,” and “sent the candidate stolen documents.” The Wall Street Journal reported a year ago that “Guccifer 2.0,” one of the Russian hackers, communicated with Florida-based Republican operative Aaron Nevins. Nevins is not named in this indictment, but the revelation that a candidate also communicated with Russian hackers indicates yet another point of contact in a conspiracy that went beyond Trump’s campaign.

The most direct path to the Trump campaign indicated in this indictment runs through Roger Stone. The Republican dirty trickster officially left the Trump campaign in 2015, but remained in regular contact with Trump throughout the campaign.

Stone admittedly engaged in direct communication with one of the indicted Russian agents. The indictment cites Stone’s contact with Guccifer 2.0:
 

It's just like Salem. The Obama Deep State is instilling fear and fake news to condemn Trump, because unlike Trump, Obama hated America and wanted to subjugate us to European Overlords. They're afraid Trump will make America Great Again, so they launched this witch Hunt to try to take him down.
 

I'm sorry, but you sound like one of those conspiracy nuts!
 
When did Trump tell the intelligence' cyber security specialists to stand down ??

He's supposed to lead, not interfere.

Where's the new program proposals? Why didn't he spend the money Congress sent him to get started (that he didn't ask for)?
 
You have no response to my post, just more drivel and personal attacks.

The *reality* is that there is an ongoing attack. That several countries are trying to deal with it means you are hiding from reality.

You said there would be no difference, which was ridiculous.

Anyone not in Putin's pocket would be going like hell on wheels.
 

Read the last paragraph!

Putin, who has ruled Russia since 2000, has created a regime under which his opponents are murdered; political prisoners are sent to Siberia for decades behind bars; minority rights are suppressed; opposition is quashed; foreign territory is forcefully annexed; and Syria’s bloodthirsty president, Bashar Assad, enjoys direct military support for his massacres.

Here’s a non-exhaustive list of examples of Putin’s abusive rule in Russia.

Murdering enemies
The list of people suspected murdered on orders from the Russian leader or people close to him is long. It includes several of Putin’s early critics (paywall), among them liberal politician Boris Nemtsov, investigative journalist Anna Politkovskaya, and exiled former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko. A UK government report showed that Litvinenko’s death—he was poisoned using polonium in London—while was “probably” approved by Putin.

Both Politkovskaya and Litvinenko had tried to investigate a series of bombings in 1999, when Putin was prime minister, that killed some 300 people in four Russian cities. The authorities blamed the bombings on Chechen rebels and used them as a pretext to unleash a war on Chechnya, but there are strong suspicions 1 that they were a “false-flag” attack by Russia’s own own security services.

When confronted with Putin’s record of killings on a TV show last year, Trump answered, “Well, I think that our country does plenty of killing, too, Joe.” He added, “I’ve always felt fine about Putin. He’s a strong leader. He’s a powerful leader.”

Imprisoning dissenters
According to a list from Russian human-rights group Memorial, there are now 102 people held in Russian prisons for their political beliefs. In this, Putin’s Russia is continuing Tsarist and Soviet traditions: Political dissenters are still being sent to Siberia or to work camps as in Stalinist days. Famous past prisoners have included oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, feminist punk collective ***** Riot, and Ukrainian pilot Nadiya Savchenko. Still confined is Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov, who was sentenced to 20 years in a strict penal colony in Siberia on trumped-up terrorism charges. 2

Occupying foreign territory
Sentsov is one of at least 10 Ukrainian nationals serving long sentences in Russia who were arrested after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and started sponsoring rebels in eastern Ukraine. The Kremlin-backed protracted conflict, Europe’s “forgotten war,” is is in its third year, and has claimed nearly 10,000 lives.

On Dec. 14, German chancellor Angela Merkel and French president François Hollande said that they favored continuing sanctions on Russia, after the peace talks on Ukraine failed to produce tangible results. However, a day earlier, Trump’s chief-of-staff pick, Reince Priebus, said he would not rule out lifting US sanctions on Russia.

Quashing opposition
Uses the corrupt to convict opponents of embezzlement or tax fraud, to straightforward police intimidation, as well as murder. Prominent opponents have been forced into silence or exile.

Putin’s biggest challenger right now is Alexei Navalny, a lawyer and anti-corruption activist who announced on Dec. 13 that he would run for president in 2018. He has faced several criminal charges and received a suspended sentence for embezzlement, overturned after international outcry. He is due for a re-trial, however, and if found guilty, won’t be able to run for office. His brother Oleg is in prison after being sentenced in the same trial.

Masha Gessen pointed out in The New Yorker that Trump’s threat to imprison Hillary Clinton during the presidential campaign was reminiscent of how political opponents are most often silenced in Russia: not through outlawing them, but “abusing or misusing criminal laws.”

Abetting some of the world’s worst bloodshed
Seeking to gain influence, in the Middle East, Putin has supported the murderous regime of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, in what has become the deadliest war of the 21st century so far. Russia’s military help has been priceless to Assad.

In the recent siege and recapture of Aleppo by Assad and his allies, reports from the ground indicated Syrian forces were slaughtering civilian families. US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power said that Russia bears responsibility for the carnage along with the Assad regime and Iran: “Is there literally nothing that can shame you?,” she asked.

Meanwhile, according to an interview released by the Syrian government, Assad is hopeful about the next US administration. He called Donald Trump a “natural ally.”

Is this also fake news?
 
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Excellent analyslis.....bully for you.
 

HAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the funny post. I needed the laugh.
 

The Chinese are robbing us of billions in intellectual property and industrial secrets yearly but let's ignore them and concentrate all our angst on Putin who is doing what he's been doing for years. Makes perfect sense to some people I guess.
 


Picky?
Accuracy and honesty in reporting is not being picky.
Calling attention to your misrepresentation of what was reported is not being picky.
And you keep misrepresenting it.
"1 American (yet unnamed) was mentioned as passing information to the Trump campaign."
That's false.
Show me where the indictment talks about "a person passing information"
No American was mentioned as passing information (stolen by Russian operatives or otherwise) to the Trump campaign.
And nothing's been shown that Stone knew Guccifer were Russian at the time.
And ya know what? It wouldn't be a crime even if he did.

You need to avoid filling in blanks with what you want to be "facts" and now would be a good time to start.
 
The Chinese are robbing us of billions in intellectual property and industrial secrets yearly but let's ignore them and concentrate all our angst on Putin who is doing what he's been doing for years. Makes perfect sense to some people I guess.

No, Trump is keying on building friendships with Putin, Kim Yung-un and Erdegan, destroying friendships with our allies and neighbors and trying to hurt China with a Trade War that is likely to hurt us more.

Makes perfect sense to some people like you, I guess.
 

My comment on someone passing information to the Trump administration is based on the indictment itself.

Count One of the indictment details Russian efforts to hack computers and steal email messages belonging to the DNC, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and the campaign of Hillary Clinton. It alleges that the conspirators, using the name Guccifer 2.0, communicated with U.S. persons about the release of the stolen documents, including someone identified only as “a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump.” Department of Justice policy counsels against naming uncharged individuals and entities in indictments, instead requiring them to be referred to by description only. Stone said after the indictment that he was probably the person described in the indictment, though he is not charged with a crime.

I did not misrepresent anything.
 

Yes you did ... repeatedly.
What was the nature of the communication to Trump's campaign?
 
Yes you did ... repeatedly.
What was the nature of the communication to Trump's campaign?

About who would pay for lunch!

Who knows? I was not there and Mueller has not yet stated what information was passed.

Geez, you really like to pester don't you? Instead of talking about the problems that are facing us in the U.S., you want to get on my case. Why can't we talk about why Trump should go?
 

Ah yes nitpicking while your boy is crawling on his belly in Helsinki. Very impressive...both from carrot top and his loyal cult.
 

Mueller hasn't stated that information from Russians was passed.

Again ... and hopefully the final time ...
Show me where the indictment talks about "a person passing information" to the Trump campaign.
No American was mentioned as passing information (stolen by Russian operatives or otherwise) to the Trump campaign.

There's your misrepresentation. Prove it's not.
 

Okay, I grant you that in the indictment nothing was stated about "passing information to the Trump Campaign" but it stands to reason that if Roger Stone is talking to the Russians and then talking to Trump that information is being passed along.
 

Trying to ratchet down tensions is not the same as "building friendships". Our allies will continue to be our allies. They will simply adjust to the new reality that we expect fairness and for them to pull their weight. As for China, they gouge us horribly on trade so trying to improve that is a worthwhile effort. We won't have a level playing field but we can make it less tilted than it is now.
 
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