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Have you seen what JW's and Scientologists do to apostates?
What would you then see as "radical" when all agree that apostasy should be punished?
Have you seen what JW's and Scientologists do to apostates?
I am not supporting Jehovas witnesses or Scientologists here. I am commenting on Mainstream Islam.
You know very well you have just offered a du toque argument that does not address the issue at all. If my dog bites you, my pointing out that a neighbor's dog also bites does not let me off the hook for your injury.
I am not supporting Jehovas witnesses or Scientologists here. I am commenting on Mainstream Islam.
You know very well you have just offered a du toque argument that does not address the issue at all. If my dog bites you, my pointing out that a neighbor's dog also bites does not let me off the hook for your injury.
The problem is you call it radical. It is perspective. Many sects of Christianity and other religions do the same in different ways. This does not make it radical.
In our society, people are punished for their actions, not their beliefs. Punishing people for their beliefs is certainly radical.
In our society, people are punished for their actions, not their beliefs. Punishing people for their beliefs is certainly radical.
I'm suggesting that many religions have sanctions for apostasy. This is not at all uncommon, it's how the shepherds control the flock. If the ramifications for apostasy are not enforced by other believers, they are threatened in eternal terms (i.e., "You're going to burn in hell, sinner!!!"). Why do you hold Islam to a standard that you do not utilize for any other denomination or belief system?
Hate crimes?
Hate crimes?
I do not absolve ANY religion for killing apostates.
Having failed in your du toque argument, you are now zeroing in on the straw man.
I do not absolve ANY religion for killing apostates.
Having failed in your du toque argument, you are now zeroing in on the straw man.
Sheikh Muhammad al-Gazali, a renowned Egyptian religious scholar who died in March 1996, ignited a debate within Islamic circles on the question of apostasy when he testified, in July 1993, at the trial of 13 Islamic militants accused of killing the Egyptian writer Farag Foda. Foda was an outspoken critic of radical Islamists, who accused him of apostasy. Al-Ghazali ruled than an apostate should be given time to repent. But his support of ultimately carrying out a death penatly roused other scholars to argue for leniency and a reinterpretation of Islamic law on this issue.
"Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them." (Nisa Ayah, 48)
The Koran is not explicit on this point, however. And many Muslim scholars argue that punishment for apostates and blasphemers is not be exacted on earth, but by God. They point to a verse in the Koran (Nisa Ayah, 48) that speaks only of Allah's retribution: "Those who blasphemed and back away from the ways of Allah and die as blasphemers, Allah shall not forgive them."
Assaulting or killing people involves action, not just belief.
Missed a word.
Hello, christianity.
You're generalizating Islamism for Islam. Fail. Is there radicalized Islam? Yep. Is it the majority? Nope. Every movement has a lunatic fringe.
The problem is you call it radical. It is perspective. Many sects of Christianity and other religions do the same in different ways. This does not make it radical.
Have you seen what JW's and Scientologists do to apostates?
I'm suggesting that many religions have sanctions for apostasy. This is not at all uncommon, it's how the shepherds control the flock. If the ramifications for apostasy are not enforced by other believers, they are threatened in eternal terms (i.e., "You're going to burn in hell, sinner!!!"). Why do you hold Islam to a standard that you do not utilize for any other denomination or belief system?
That's horrible, I don't eat puppies, they're to salty, now kittens on the other hand. *hand kiss* Magnifique!
No the mainstream view within Islam is that apostasy is to be punished by death, that is the view held by most mainstream Islamic scholars. The same can not be said for Christianity or most other religions.
Do they kill them?
Two ways the church deals with critics are lawsuits, its own undercover investigations and public denunciations of those attacking the church.
"Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way," Hubbard once advised his troops. "Start feeding lurid blood, sex crime, actual evidence on the attack to the press."
Given those instructions, it is not surprising how church leaders responded to Woodcraft's allegations.
Killing people for leaving the faith is not radical? Are you ****ing kidding me?
It's a matter of timing. Christianity did in fact punish apostasy with death, and killed millions of people during the years between 300 and 1800 A.D.
I'm not going to judge Islam by a different standard with Christian history is replete with episodes of bloodthirstiness.
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