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Moskva Warship's Sinking a $750 Million Loss for Russian Military

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Moskva Warship's Sinking a $750 Million Loss for Russian Military





From Ukrainian sources off the record -- after darkness fell, Ukraine flew 3 Turkish TB-2 drones over the Black Sea to a position that would get the attention of the Moskva. The ship did detect these drones, but apparently the Moskva captain did not want to expend any cruise missiles on the Turkish drones. The Moskva then turned so she was the bow-on to the Turkist drones. This profile would be the best way to monitor the drones and if necessary bring her defensive weapons to bear on them. (the Moskva only had a 180° frontal defense system) This response was exactly what the Ukrainians wanted - because it exposed the entire port side of the Moskva to Odesa. As rain began to fall, 2 Ukraine Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles were fired at the Moskva from a mobile shore battery in Odesa. The rain would have degraded the air and surface search radar on the Moskva. At 12 miles from the Moskva the Neptunes decended from flying 50' above the water to skimming just 3' above the water with a speed of 700 mph. At this time the Neptune radars would have locked on to the ship. The attack was also timed to coincide with the midnight shift change aboard the Moskva. In the video, there is initially blackness and a large moon. Then one can see many flickers of light. This would be the defensive guns on the Moskva trying to shoot down the Neptunes. Then we see a blinding flash. This is a Neptune striking Moskva. It is thought that perhaps the Russians managed to shoot down the 2nd Neptune over the water. The Neptune strikes a ship on the hull in a flat trajectory. Normally, one Neptune would not sink a ship larger than 5,000 tons. But the missile apparently exploded either within or in close proximity to the Moskva ammunition storage hold. Seconday ammunition explosions doomed the ship. Russian sailors were evacuated from the Moskva by passing Turkish and Romanian ships. The captain of the Turkish vessel said the Moskva was on fire and listing badly.

Moskva was a Soviet "Slava class" heavy cruiser. 10 of these ships were supposed to be built, but only 3 were completed. Her sister ships are the Marshal Ustinov (In service with the Northern Fleet) and the Varyag (In service with the Pacific Fleet). All of these ships were built at the shipyards at Mykolaiv, Ukraine. The next Slava-class ship in succession was supposed to go to the Ukraine Navy and was named Ukraina. But she was only partially finished due to the breakup of the Soviet Union and this unfinished ship is still dockside at the 61 Kommunara Shipbuilding Plant in Mykolaiv, Ukraine. In 2010 the Ukraine parliament stripped the unfinished ship of her name.
 

The thing I want to know is how many Russian sailors were rescued? On the main thread I saw someone mention only 54 crewmen made it off. If that is true, this must mark the largest loss of life the Russian military has suffered in a single day in decades.
 
Moskva was an old lady built in 1976 and originally named Slava. She served her time. Sometimes I wonder if Putin is just purging the junk to make room for modern stuff.
 

Moscow has been silent. Turkey said one of its ships was able to evacuate 54 sailors at 2am, and by 3am the Moskva was gone.

I don't think there is a definitive answer yet. But it does seem like many of the Moskva naval complement were lost at sea.

Russian warship blown up with 300 sailors believed to have died 'after Ukraine missile strike'
 
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The unfinished Slava-class heavy-cruiser "Ukrayina" dockside in Mykolaiv, Ukraine.
 
I hadn't thought to start aiming at warships.
 
What a magnificent piece of machinery, so sad, dumb Russians sink to the bottom of the sea!
 
Thanks for the details.
 
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