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President is a big role. People get quite invested in a president they support in many cases.
So, when Watergate happened, for a lot of the country, the issue was simply: if you support the country, you support the president. Petty crimes can't begin to be nearly as important as the national issues the country is dealing with. There's the cold war and communist threat, there's the Vietnam war, there are treaties from nuclear arms to biological weapons, and many other important issues.
The country elected Nixon by 49 states to lead the country on these issues, and it would violate the will of the American people on all of them to remove him over some little burglary and maybe covering it up. Overturning that overwhelming election for a break-in.
People often feel that way. I'd say usually even more than trump, but trump also for his supporters who think he's protecting them from threats - deep state, China, immigrants, and so on. And people want to remove him over what tiny things?
These people hear, trump wanted Ukraine to say the Bidens were under investigation to help him win. So what? They don't like the Bidens, think they are corrupt, and don't give a crap trump asked for that.
How about the issue of foreign interference? It was the president ASKING them to do it - hardly their interfering, and it's not like the election will be hugely affected because Ukraine said that, and if it was, it would help their guy win and so that's great. Non-issue.
How about the issue of 'rule of law'? trump has them convinced everything is corrupt and rigged against them and trump already, so if he goes outside the rules, it's only fair and they deserve it. Who cares?
How about the harm to Ukraine of withholding the aid? They don't really give a crap about Ukraine and would probably rather we didn't give them money anyway - American First!
In short, it's a little like asking your dog how he feels about a Game of Thrones plot twist - he doesn't care. He cares about that burger you aren't watching closely enough. And these trump supporters care about 'their side', them and trump, winning against their enemies, and that's about it. The rest is noise.
They're using whatever arguments they're handed to argue, talking points, but they don't care. It reminds me of a mobster who knows he's guilty at trial; he doesn't give a crap, but he'll use whatever arguments help him - discredit this witness, challenge that evidence, try to get off, but he knows he's guilty.
So they'll go on and on saying anything 'but Shifty Schiff didn't go to court' or whatever, as if they're arguing, but they don't give a crap no matter what the facts or impact or constitutional issues or truth is - it's just 'win'. And they have the right Senators for that. And they'll very likely 'win' and be happy with that end of story.
So, when Watergate happened, for a lot of the country, the issue was simply: if you support the country, you support the president. Petty crimes can't begin to be nearly as important as the national issues the country is dealing with. There's the cold war and communist threat, there's the Vietnam war, there are treaties from nuclear arms to biological weapons, and many other important issues.
The country elected Nixon by 49 states to lead the country on these issues, and it would violate the will of the American people on all of them to remove him over some little burglary and maybe covering it up. Overturning that overwhelming election for a break-in.
People often feel that way. I'd say usually even more than trump, but trump also for his supporters who think he's protecting them from threats - deep state, China, immigrants, and so on. And people want to remove him over what tiny things?
These people hear, trump wanted Ukraine to say the Bidens were under investigation to help him win. So what? They don't like the Bidens, think they are corrupt, and don't give a crap trump asked for that.
How about the issue of foreign interference? It was the president ASKING them to do it - hardly their interfering, and it's not like the election will be hugely affected because Ukraine said that, and if it was, it would help their guy win and so that's great. Non-issue.
How about the issue of 'rule of law'? trump has them convinced everything is corrupt and rigged against them and trump already, so if he goes outside the rules, it's only fair and they deserve it. Who cares?
How about the harm to Ukraine of withholding the aid? They don't really give a crap about Ukraine and would probably rather we didn't give them money anyway - American First!
In short, it's a little like asking your dog how he feels about a Game of Thrones plot twist - he doesn't care. He cares about that burger you aren't watching closely enough. And these trump supporters care about 'their side', them and trump, winning against their enemies, and that's about it. The rest is noise.
They're using whatever arguments they're handed to argue, talking points, but they don't care. It reminds me of a mobster who knows he's guilty at trial; he doesn't give a crap, but he'll use whatever arguments help him - discredit this witness, challenge that evidence, try to get off, but he knows he's guilty.
So they'll go on and on saying anything 'but Shifty Schiff didn't go to court' or whatever, as if they're arguing, but they don't give a crap no matter what the facts or impact or constitutional issues or truth is - it's just 'win'. And they have the right Senators for that. And they'll very likely 'win' and be happy with that end of story.